The human-driven driverless car
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That's actually what I figured this article was about, based on the title.
Lately they've been turning their attention to more pressing needs, like learning how to help the handicapped drive.
If that sounds absurd, it's not. If you're trying to take advantage of the computer driving to run up against your safety margin, that has further effects. Sure, most of the time the computerized cars could in fact drive mere inches from each other's bumpers, but in an emergency situation this means you have no margin. You can't both spend your margin and have it when you need it.
If anything I expect robotic cars to end up being more cautious than humans in the end. Automated cars will be able to precisely calculate the risks of given driving behaviors just by their nature, and I seriously doubt that car companies are going to have any stomach for permitting their cars to engage in complicated gas-saving car behaviors that will provably be more dangerous than driving safely, which I suspect will look rather a lot like what highways do now, except with less variance in the speeds.
One of the things I'm really curious about is whether during a winter storm the cars will simply refuse to drive. That will be an interesting cultural change up here where snow is actually a thing.
Also, the distribution of the problems themselves are going to be very time sensitive. When the car yells "Oh crap, I need a human!", you're looking at at least 5 seconds for a human to respond. Even ignoring the "take a number" problem, which pushes that number arbitrarily high during times of high load. Whatever problem resulted in the car yelling "I need a human!" is probably resolved one way or another before the human gets there, because physics isn't waiting. If the car persistently needs a human, the answer is not to remote-drive the car but to stop driving entirely, so it's only the transient issues that matter.
Basically, I'm not clear on what problem this solves.
The issue I see is that driver less cars have to be better than the better than average driver. Equal to an average driver is not sufficient. Even an average driver can tell the difference between a cardboard box and a block of concrete in the road, can follow detour signs, and more.
Driver less cars and public transportation may end up either competing or playing off each other. Who knows. Though I would expect driver less buses and semi trucks far sooner than individual cars - there is at least a market fo those. Heck I see still drives on trains, I guess until we can end that position how do we expect cars to go it alone? (and train drivers are responsible for some major accidents both with people and cargo)
Driverless cars are better because they are available. Recently here (on HN) was a post about why you can't find a taxi in the rain. (The answer was demand.) But another part is, many cabs are parked in the garage most of the time. Because drivers work only a few hours a day, and are not on-call during peak demand hours like rainstorms.
Automated cabs could be scheduled and deployed minute by minute. That's a clear win.
The real win will be getting all the idle passenger cars out of parking garages/lots and freeing up all that space imo.
That space is of trivial importance compared to limited road space. Roads need to be used as efficiently as possible, as there's only so much asphalt/concrete between two points.
You also should count the opportunity cost of the contribution that the adult could make if they weren't spending the time being a driver.
I've always wondered why there hasn't been more progress on this front. Driverless trains have been around for 50 years now [0]. Anyone care to comment further?
Even WITH drivers two people (that I know of) have been hit in the last two months. The train line wasn't set up with driverless uses in mind in the first place, and the city is likely worried about liability and cost in switching over. Even if the number of accidents goes down with full automation, cities aren't likely to believe that until enough other places prove it for them.
And ATO requires a level of competence in operations and maintenance that not all organizations are capable of: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_22,_2009_Washington_Metro...
For the same reason I don't see why ubiquitous driverless buses should come before driverless taxis.
This reminds me of a recent decision that was made by a fellow parent. They have 2 young kids. 1 in kindergarten and 1 in daycare. The oldest is a smart young girl. In fact she often gets bored during class because she already knows the material. Because of this she gets in a little trouble for goofing around.
Her parents came to the decision that because she knows the material and is goofing around, they are not going to work with their youngest as much as they did with her. That way he will be ready for kindergarten.
I feel this irrational decision shares the same thought process as deciding to pick cheaper manual labor over advanced technology. But I do understand that we may eventually need some jobs to keep all us busy and active. But lets now slow down our education to do so.
I don't think you can call this irrational, it's just accepting of human behaviour.
Outings, sports, music etc. are great but not enough on their own. For a lot of people doing home schooling, it must be difficult to arrange for several hours most days in the company a largish group of children with varied backgrounds and personalities. Not having this can make it difficult for children to develop socially.
But in my experience, many parents who home school mostly fail on this "not hard" task. So maybe it is harder than you're making out? Or maybe my sample set isn't very good, it's not like I've done a broad study, I'm just taking this from families and adults (who were home schooled) that I know personally.
This may be a bit of unfair stereotype, but in my experience there are plenty of real world examples backing it up.
I'd not take the failings of some, as a condemnation of the whole practice. The only one who matters to you is you - can you do it? Start with a small step - join a group with your student, see if the quality of social interaction is different from their public school experience. How do you tell? You ask your student.
You said "it's a myth", maybe you really meant "it doesn't have to be that way".
The latter is clearly true.
Because school, especially middle school, is not showcasing social skills you want her to learn. Cliques, ostracizing, bullying, humiliation are lessons to be sure. But they can stunt growth, particularly in the very young.
It becomes harder in high school. Many home-schooled students attend regular high school when they are ready for it. And they are ready years earlier than those in the state-sponsored track.
Don't imagine that the average parent can teach a class of 30 better than a trained teacher. Nor can they tutor a single student better. But neither of those things is happening.
The average parent can tutor a single student better than a trained teacher can teach a class of 30 (or 40). That's the tradeoff you have as a parent. And yes, you sure can do better.
Consider: if that teacher did nothing but give individual attention to students all day for 5 hours, your student would get 10 minutes of individual attention per day. You can do that in the first 10 minutes of your home-school day. You can do 10 times better than that. In fact home-school 'school days' are generally just an hour or two, during which the student progresses further than the public-school student does in 5 hours.
And its just an hour or two a day. Doesn't have to cramp your career at all. Or you can team up with others in your community, take a day a week and do what you know, leave the rest to the others. Now your child is in a group of 4 or 5, still manageable, still valuable to have the close attention of their teachers.
Very early in the morning is a great way to start the day. Young kids are never brighter than in the early morning.
If its not worth the effort to work full-time and add in home-schooling, then I'm sorry but it may not work for you. It sure does work easier if somebody in the household works part-time. I should say, works outside the home part-time, and works in the home part-time. Because the more you put into it, the more you get out.
It depends on the weight you give your kids in your life I guess. And the condition of your local schools. Maybe its not a problem where you are.
But if your schools are not the best, its a tragedy to consign your valuable child to a 6-year sentence in a rough environment. With a half-strength education and a poor start to life.
Also much of home schooling is done as a correspondence course, which typically comes from a private school (these schools, usually religious in nature, have regular classrooms, and have home-schooled students which are considered part of the class, and they have periodic meetups available for field trips and stuff). In these cases there is a teaching staff to back up the parent, which provides homework and testing material, and sometimes phone support too.
And who said kids must know those exact topics and not others? Why do you think when you have the liberty to teach your kids about the world at home, that you still need to follow the government curriculum?
Open up your mind.
And I have my mind fully opened to the idea of home schooling - I just have not seen a single compelling argument for it yet. If such is provided I will support the idea fully - but for now for me it looks like it's just a waste of time and money.
The money is a sunk cost, no getting that back. And the real waste; the real cost to you is the education or lack of one that your child receives.
If you don't value your child over your tax bill, then maybe home-schooling isn't for you. Just lob your kid into the public school and feel like you're getting a bargain; I sure won't be there to stop you.
But if you can afford the time and effort, then home-schooling is a whole different process with a substantially different goal. Instead of babysitting its about engaging your youth in lifelong learning. Its got the advantages of personal attention and customized plans. The child is relieved of the risks of institutionalization, while taking advantage of the facilities as needed.
Its not such a radical notion, to manage the education part of your child's life in much the same way you provide food and housing. In America, home-schooling before the modern age had a different name - it was called 'schooling'.
Who comes out of high school with "expert knowledge" in anything?!
The same could be said for a lot of university degrees for that matter.
Public education has only been a "normal" thing for a century and a half or so. It's certainly not the only way to turn out a competent adult, and that's assuming it actually does, which is becoming more and more questionable.
Given that both parents are working in developed countries, this is very important.
If your public school were a babysitter, you'd fire them.
No. Humans are emotional.
Emotions are complex, and appear irrational, but that is just because we have barely scratched the surface in understanding emotion.
Imagine self driving trucks could drive through the night, 24 hours per day. That alone could make quite a difference.
More convenient maybe, but I was under the impression that Uber was significantly more expensive than hailing a cab? (This is based on what I have read, as I don't live or visit anywhere near where Uber has services.)
Before you defend minimum wage, you should try and come up with a coherent explanation as to how is it that any good can come from curtailing people's freedoms by prohibiting them from setting their own prices for the labor they wish to sell.
And who would be the generous folks doing all the work to produce those goods and services, while being OK with sharing, with everyone, the goods (i.e. money) that they trade their goods for?
I'm just trying to understand your suggestion.
We're seeing this all over in the economy with Amazon, eBay, Craigslist, etc. As better rapid prototyping, artificial general intelligence, and moneyless transactions like BitCoin become mainstream, there will be less and less exchange of money.
However, the overall wealth created in the economy will only increase. We're rapidly approaching a point in time (well before the singularity) where human labor can't compete with automation. We can stick with the current system of capitalism where all of the gains go to a few at the top and everyone else is in a race to the bottom to preserve their jobs. Or..
We can adopt a system that works to maximize the social good instead of production, profits, influence, things that we might think of as 20th century goals. My current favorite alternative is cooperativism, where the workers own the means of production so there is no need for unions. One example is WinCo, which simultaneously provides lower prices than Walmart and higher wages/benefits to its employees because it doesn’t spend exorbitant amounts on advertising or dividends (which tend to run 15-30% of a for-profit corporation’s overhead, sometimes more).
Ironically one of the biggest problems with cooperativism is the lack of community ownership. So a company like Valve can be regarded as the epitome of cooperativism, where the workers can potentially make billions of dollars and the community makes nothing other than taxes. In many cases even those are waived, for example in Boise where I live, Micron and hp get enormous tax waivers to attract them. Some cities even pay corporations bonuses to move there.
So the only solution that I see is to raise taxes on businesses and to abandon the idea of corporate profits so that high income individuals pay the tax rates that the US enjoyed in its highest growth decades. That would mean a readjustment of our tax brackets to match inflation since then. I would suggest few or no taxes at or below the median individual income of roughly $40,000 per year, and then use a logarithmic scale beyond that. If it was base 2, then to double one’s net income, they would need to make 4 times as much, so $160,000 per year instead of $80,000. They would pay a tax of $80,000 on that or 50%. To make 4 times median, they would have to make $640,000 per year, and pay $480,000 in taxes or 75%. If base 2 seems too high, then society would vote on which base is most fair, probably settling on something similar to what we use today below $250,000 and eliminating the loopholes above that. This is basically a flat tax in a nonlinear system.
That way we get the wage/innovation benefits of a cooperative and the social benefit of a public income stream. As cooperatives become larger, they would have a choice to pay their workers in innovation (providing free food and benefits like Google) or pay society at large through taxes if they choose cash. In other words, society gets a win-win, because non-cash innovation is the stuff of Star Trek, and even cash is still cash.
The US GDP is $16 trillion, so spread over the 160 million workers, that’s roughly $100,000 per person. The missing $60,000 reflects our wealth inequality, which means we could switch to this system today and give everyone a basic income of $40,000 and the rich would have $20,000 to spare. In other words, tax policy alone could provide for everyone right now (the way they do it in social democracies like Finland) but since the US seems averse to that, I expect cooperativism to be the path of least resistance, meaning that capitalism will eventually adopt it as the social ills of vast wealth inequality become unpalatable and we seek a peaceful reconciliation (as opposed to an uprising like the French Revolution).
To answer your original question: the endgame here is that our union (the United States was originally a union after all) becomes a conglomerate of cooperatives, and eventually a cooperative itself. So a person could join a co-op and earn $40,000 above and beyond their state-provided basic income of $40,000. But since wealth inequality already takes a larger share of income than most people earn, I think we’ll find that people migrate toward a renaissance in leisure. After all, if wages had kept up with inflation, the minimum wage would be $22/hr today, and the median income would be twice as much, or about $80,000. That’s more than most people need to live on, so we’d see a lot of 4 day work weeks, 6 hour work days, 2 months off a year, and people investing half their income and retiring at 30 anyway (essentially a private basic income as opposed to a public one). That was supposed to be the American dream, but we’ve been swindled out of it by 30 years of trickle down economics. If this seems inflammatory, well, it is, and you’ll notice that you never hear about this on the mainstream media. Please check my figures. I stand by this premise and highly recommend learning about progressivism and the history of labor since the Gilded Age, and the various ways in which the country has backpedaled with things like the Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act, which lowered regulations on wall street and led to the Dot Bomb, the Housing Bubble and the Great Recession.
Money is just another product, and in that sense it isn't special. People sell their money for goods and services when they deem it profitable to them. For instance, I could build my own house, but the time required to learn and then build it is more than the time it takes me to trade my (preferred) labor for money, then use that money to trade for a housemaker's (preferred) labor, because people are better (ie. more efficient) at what they prefer to do. The housemaker accepts to trade their labor for money because they also want things for which it is more profitable for the housemaker to build a house for money and then trade that money for what they want. The process of trading something with someone else for something you prefer results in what we call profit.
This also means when you say "moneyless transactions like BitCoin", you're mistaken; bitcoin is money. Money is any product for which there is a large enough network of people willing to accept that product as payment for labor. So the rise of BitCoin won't decrease the exchange rate of money, because BitCoin will become money by definition, since it will be used by people to arbitrage their time in a profitable way as explained in the previous paragraph.
Then you say wealth will increase because machines can make things. But the more you have of something, the more its value goes down. This is supply and demand. So you don't get automatic wealth just because machines can produce, for instance, a bunch of tires, and a bunch of cars, if there's not enough people wanting those cars with tires to self-drive them around. That means customers will assign less value to tires and cars, as the overabundance of tires and cars drive their own prices down.
I haven't heard of WinCo, but if you're saying they're more profitable than Walmart, then I should hope they drive Walmart out of business. I have no hatred for Walmart, mind you; but I do have a love for better things, and charging cheaper prices than competitors while making more money seems to me like a win-win for everyone involved. If WinCo's business model really works, and yet it hasn't displaced Walmart, and assuming what you say is true, then I'm lead to believe other forces (likely regulatory) are keeping this outcome from being brought about. I'd appreciate if you could educate me as to why WinCo stores aren't popping up everywhere and displacing Walmart (or maybe they are and I'm ignorant).
I'm still having trouble understanding how you got so quickly to the conclusion that "the solution that I see is to raise taxes". I also find it weird that you say things like "the community makes nothing other than taxes". The community is constituted of people. People can make money by selling their labor. Why do they expect Valve to work for them? I'm confused.
Also when you talk about US's high tax rates (70-90%) in its highest growth decades (1950s and 60s), you should make sure to mention that they also had more loopholes than we have today, which means in effect that companies in general were paying nowhere near the official tax rate in taxes (they were paying around 30%). See [1] for a page with links to the studies. This is one of the most common economics history fallacy floating around today.
Your analysis of spreading over GDP to the population don't take into account the change effect; that once you do that, people's behaviors change unexpectedly in a way that you can't guarantee that the GDP will remain anywhere close to what it is. Numbers look into the past, not the future. The GDP now only means how much was produced given the variables in place. If the variables were different (eg. more income distribution) then the outcome would be different (either more or less, or the same for different reasons). But because Economics fails to produce falsifiable and reproducible theories, we can never know for sure. With that in mind, number gymnastics as you do it is baseless.
[1] - http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/21/krugmans-twinkie-defense/
But the more you have of something, the more its value goes down. This is supply and demand.
This is the foundation of modern economics, but remarkably it isn’t true. A carrot is always worth the value of a carrot. Maybe we assign it a monetary value based on scarcity, but I’m talking about the intrinsic value of stuff. We make more and more stuff every year, but the average US citizen is not seeing his or her wealth increase. The stuff is being hoarded in the hands of a select few, which is the end result of free market capitalism if it isn’t regulated to provide a fair playing field. This bothers progressives to no end, but I think libertarians rather enjoy that outcome.
I don’t think the two ideologies will ever find common ground, so I’ve been trying to look beyond all of this and find a path to a Star Trek economy. We’re approaching full automation within 1 or 2 decades, and the singularity no later than 3 or 4 (barring a global disaster or political interference). Already today the US has perhaps 2-3 times more stuff than it needs. More empty houses than homeless, for example. The cost of food is inverted, so that resource-intensive products like meat cost less than vegetables. Automobiles have an arbitrary value, depreciating 50% as they’re driven off a lot. We basically waste more than most of the rest of the planet earns. We can analyze the reasons behind this to no end, meanwhile 6 billion people are living a subsistence lifestyle that would be like slavery to us.
Anyway, I don’t see WinCo ever toppling Walmart. It has more to do with regulatory capture and monopoly than quality of service though. WinCo has a rather narrow niche and isn’t willing to do the strong-arming to have a presence in every city. They aren’t trying to maximize profits either. But I do think employee ownership is the next big thing. The costs to form a business are lower than ever, and the great failure of banks to provide seed capital has caused attention to turn to pulling ourselves up by our bootstraps. We just don’t need bosses anymore, or venture capital for that matter, which means we don’t need investors or the burden of paying dividends.
But it worries me that all of this emphasis on self-actualization is promoting selfishness. The “I’ve got mine” mentality is reminiscent of the Michael Douglas Wall Street days and I find it distasteful. I don’t trust the majority of people who’ve made it to do the right thing and give something back to the community that got them there. So I prefer to leave it in the hands of the people and just vote for increased pay by raising taxes. We could double taxes tomorrow and pass a moratorium on government spending and raise everyone’s income by $10,000 ($3 trillion divided by 300 million citizens) as a basic income. In other words, most people would see an increase in income if taxes were raised. This is counterintuitive, but what happened from roughly 1940 to 1980. Unfortunately a basic income was not in the picture, so most of the wealth created was in the form of public works. Now those roads, bridges, dams etc are crumbling because we’ve slashed government spending to unsustainable levels.
I’ve heard all of the arguments about how if we give everyone more money, inflation goes up. That turns out to be one of the great fallacies of all time and an easy way to get people to vote against their own self-interest. I worked at a business that charged $99/hr and paid the employees $15/hr. Doubling everyone’s pay is more likely to mean taking $15 per employee out of the boss’s pocket than doubling prices. This appears to be true across the board in most industries today (wages as a percentage of business overhead are lower than ever), and is an impetus behind the Occupy Wall Street movement.
Well, this has become completely political now and I’m probably just spinning my wheels here. Paul Krugman is probably as divisive as, say, Milton Friedman, so I would recommend to anyone reading this far to look at the writings of someone like Noam Chomsky as a litmus test. If we’re talking about the future, then it’s going to be more productive to think at a meta-level. There are very basic measures of unfairness and prosperity that even a child can understand, and I think he does a good job of exploring policy ramifications through reductionism. I don’t think either liberalism or conservatism are compatible with a post-scarcity future.
That said, this looks like a reply to Slate's recent article: http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/technology/2014/10/...
What I immediately thought on reading the headline, without realizing we were diving into "robots are taking our jobs!" was this: how about people sitting at home driving our cars for us? If the packet was dropped or latency got high, the car would slow/stop/switch-to-auto-cruise. Badda boom, badda bing, you have the best of both worlds.
And it gets better. Since you're using real humans to drive, you can take the sensor input and match it up with the real-world driving patterns to try to tease out some edge case behaviors. It'd be like Uber with your own car.