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Comment by magsafe | Hacker News Reader

Apparently someone out there still uses Firefox.

Unnecessary inflammatory comment. Firefox remains the second most used webbrowser. [1]

Break Down is

      Chrome                 59.6%
      FireFox                24.0%
      Internet Explorer       9.9%
      Safari                  3.6%
      Opera                   1.6%

[1] http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp

… among readers of W3Schools. Which is a pretty niche market.

And it is even the #1 browser in places where Chrome can not be used (thanks to US export regulations) and in places where people think about security (Germany).

Not exactly the best sample. But it does give some evidence that people are still using firefox.

Usage share of desktop browsers for June 2014

Source, Chrome, Internet Explorer, Firefox, Safari, Opera, Other

StatCounter 48.7% 23.0% 19.6% 4.9% 1.4% 2.3%

W3Counter 38.0% 19.0% 16.8% 16.0% 3.2% 6.0%

Wikimedia 45.9% 11.7% 16.9% 7.1% 1.6% 16.8%

NetApplications 19.3% 58.3% 15.5% 5.2% 1.0% 0.4%

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers

Line charts over time of W3Counter data (although I am not sure if this excludes mobile or not): http://www.w3counter.com/trends

Yes, including many people on Hacker News.

I think you overstate the quality of the content on W3Schools or the expertise of the average HN reader.

I'm curious as to how Chrome usage relates to expertise.

Anyone who deliberately installs and uses spyware such as Chrome is clearly lacking it.

It doesn't. The point being made was that W3Schools browser usage closely correlates to HN browser usage, which I think isn't accurate. W3Schools isn't that great of a resource, and I presume that the average HN reader's expertise is such that they wouldn't rely on a resource like W3Schools.

Its very funny that you think people don't use it.

Apparently someone there even switches from Chrome to Firefox -- Me, I did it with Firefox 31. It is lighter and more stable on my system.

Welcome back :)

I refuse to use any browser without vertical tabs.

Chromium/Chrome with "tabs outliner" is quite sweet.

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/tabs-outliner/eggk...

There's an add-on for simple vertical tabs, but I think this is even better.

The simple fact it is a separate window bothers me. I know you can't change the Chrome UI without using C++ but the Firefox version looks and works much better.

Until Chrome lets people modify the browser UI like Tree Style Tab and other addons do, I won't be interested in switching. It's a good browser for my parents, computer labs, etc. but I could never use it on my workstation.

The other simpler addon is not a separate window, but this one is much better once you get used to it. Worth it as it really takes things to a different level.

BTW you can move the tab outliner itself to a tab and close the window.

Even worse, I've become accustomed specifically to vertical 'tree-style' tabs. I hate that I need them - it makes me less flexible than I would want to be.

Is that a built-in feature or do you use an extension?

I use the "Tree Style Tab" extension, available here: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tree-style-ta...

If you haven't used it before, and if you're prone to having 10+ tabs open at a time, I highly recommend it. Although I warn you that you may never wish to use Safari or Chrome again...

Chrome used to have a similar feature built-in but they removed it ages ago.

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