Comment by chipotle_coyote | Hacker News Reader

Comment by chipotle_coyote | Hacker News Reader

chipotle_coyote

God love the EFF, but they're using this as a platform to talk about one of their favorite hobby horses, and that's kind of obscuring the problem. Read the original article in which this was discovered -- this has nothing to do with DRM.

http://the-digital-reader.com/2014/10/06/adobe-spying-users-...

Adobe is collecting data about every ebook on your system, regardless of whether it's using DRM and even regardless of whether it's even being managed by the Adobe Digital Edition reader. (And for an added security bonus, they're sending it in plain text.) If you install and launch the new version of ADE, it's going to do this whether or not every single ebook you have on your system is DRM-free.

This is certainly an electronic privacy issue, but it's not a DRM issue just because Adobe Digital Editions supports Adobe DRM, and the EFF's headline is a little disingenuous. Adobe's rationale for this collection is indeed claimed to be related to licensing, but the biggest problem is how wide a net they're casting and how intrusive this information is -- ironically enough, if it was only sending this information about DRM-encumbered books, it'd arguably be much less of a scandal. (Although the fifty-eight people in the world using Adobe DRM would still have every right to be pissed.)

Since Adobe is not selling books, how do they benefit from parsing this data? If not for DRM-style tactics?

Are they selling it to third parties? Unless this is the case, then I'd say their obsession with DRM and rights management is the primary issue. Without of course discrediting that digital surveillance is the new standard.

As I said (well, quoted), it is for licensing -- Adobe is apparently trying to support some kind of "metered licensing," in which you might pay by how long you keep a book out or even by how far you read in it. Is that the same as DRM? In practice, mostly, since it's hard to see how that particular scheme would work without DRM. (But licensing is not the same as DRM, right? I buy a lot of DRM-free tech books, but that doesn't give me license to put those books up for free on my web site.)

But I'd nonetheless argue that the primary issue is not that Adobe is implementing new licensing schemes of dubious value. It's that Adobe implemented them in an exceedingly invasive way. I don't use Adobe Digital Editions unless I absolutely have to, but until now that's been because the software is awful, not because it's philosophically objectionable.

I'd also argue that it may not be entirely fair to describe Adobe as "obsessed with rights management"; they're providing a platform for publishers, and using DRM -- or not -- is the publishers' choice. The chances are high that the "metered licensing" concept was borne of publisher request, not an Adobe plan to make everyone's life difficult. Making everyone's life difficult is just Adobe's standard execution plan.

I think the reasonable link to DRM is that the only reason you would ever consider Adobe Digital Edition reader is if it is forced upon you by DRM requirements.

If not for DRM you could chose a different not-crappy platform.

It's a DRM issue because their spyware is required software for their products.

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