Why no one wants to host the 2022 olympics
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I thought this just descriptive, but (allowing for translation) it's the IOC's own words:
http://whitelines.com/news/norway-withdraws-bid-2022-winter-...
And he provided the reasoning for that in his bio:
> Van Halen was the first band to take huge productions into tertiary, third-level markets. We'd pull up with nine eighteen-wheeler trucks, full of gear, where the standard was three trucks, max. And there were many, many technical errors — whether it was the girders couldn't support the weight, or the flooring would sink in, or the doors weren't big enough to move the gear through.
> The contract rider read like a version of the Chinese Yellow Pages because there was so much equipment, and so many human beings to make it function. So just as a little test, in the technical aspect of the rider, it would say "Article 148: There will be fifteen amperage voltage sockets at twenty-foot spaces, evenly, providing nineteen amperes . . ." This kind of thing. And article number 126, in the middle of nowhere, was: "There will be no brown M&M's in the backstage area, upon pain of forfeiture of the show, with full compensation."
> So, when I would walk backstage, if I saw a brown M&M in that bowl . . . well, line-check the entire production. Guaranteed you're going to arrive at a technical error. They didn't read the contract. Guaranteed you'd run into a problem. Sometimes it would threaten to just destroy the whole show. Something like, literally, life-threatening.
The interesting thing is that these were the IOC's demands before negotiations. So they obviously didn't expect all of this to actually happen, and perhaps even many of them to be dropped. But instead, what happened was that they fucked themselves over (the Oslo bid was supposedly the preferred one) by driving such a hard initial bargain that their negotiation partner just went "Nope, nope, nope".
who do they think they are? the pope? Obama doesn't get schools closed for him. Does Putin?
That's true, but he does get roads completely shut down and large no-fly-zones set up wherever he goes, even it's just for a fundraiser.
It doesn't help traffic at all. People just bought another car.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxGXT2b0W2A
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Most ridiculous Putin's requirement is to weld all manhole covers.
In 2013 Putin decided that he dislikes drivers' booing and started to fly to Kremlin by helicopter. To build new landing site he removed huge part of Taynitsky Garden.
At least in the past, welding manhole covers closed for the presidential motorcade was standard procedure in the US.
But that was when the Secret Service had a clue...
The problem is when it's dumped into smaller countries and into small cities where everything is built for no reason.
Expanding a highway or improving subway systems in a major city like London or New York is shit the city governments fight over getting done.
A small city building rail connections and expanding highways, building swathes of luxury condos, etc is destined to collapse the economy. When they have to sell off condos in the Olympic village for $0.10 on the dollar you have a cascade effect down the property market. Why by an ordinary condo when I can get this luxury one no ones buying because everyone who could is now buying in the Olympic village. Why buy a small house on the edge of town when I can buy a nice condo downtown that would've been double my price.
The Olympics are an international event. I don't get why it can't be held internationally. Why do we need soccer in the same country as track and field? Do we have people doing high dive also doing shotput? Is it on a scale we should even care about if we prevent one Olympian?
It would be more manageable, at less risk of failure and would actually benefit the cities its in by not overwhelming the infrastructure.
As a sidenote, i really wonder why people keep phrasing it like this. Why don't you just say:
> for 10%
or
> with a 90% discount
Why would international scattering influence spectators? Flying between countries is only a little bit more annoying than flying between cities that are far apart in places like the USA.
Whether scattered in one country or internationally, I think most spectators would pick their favorite event and only go there, catching the other events on the internet (if they were scattered, entry into one olympic venue would probably include live streaming access to other events). Even if scheduling would permit flying between locations, I don't think most people would.
Scattering would also influence the social atmosphere in any one location. The olympics are almost more important as a social congregation than as a series of sporting events. Scattering them at all would disrupt that.
So, for example São Paulo is the largest city in Brazil. However, Campinas is less than 60 miles away and it's #10. Together they avoid a lot of wasted construction and end up much better off in the long term.
I don't know how many spectators would want to take bus or taxi rides between cities even if they were 1-2 hours apart. That increases logistics problems for everyone, travel plans, complexity of hotel bookings, etc.
I think my last concern might be the most significant. Scattering the olympics between two or three cities means the energy of the olympics wouldn't be the same: multiple olympic villages, and less mingling of athletes and spectators there for different sports.
Costs would be spread out between cities, but so would advantages, and the cost/benefit ratio might actually increase. It would be an interesting thing to study.
Baltimore and DC tried to do a joint bid. Between the two of them they have very fast and efficient public transportation links (DC to Balto. in about 45 mins) but the IOC said no. It was really sad because between the two of us, many of the venues for a summer games already exist. Maybe that was the bigger problem, the IOC and FIFA want brand new venues and don't care if the cities will use them afterwards.
There is only one official Olympic Village and several unofficial ones. Because the alpine events were 60 miles away from downtown Vancouver, those athletes stayed in accommodations on the mountain.
A far cry from the billions of public dollars sunk into backwater Sochi.
The images of the aftermath of Sochi are just terrible. Russia pumped and dumped the city. They knew reporters only stick around for the Olympics and within a week they can abandon the city.
I can't knock the Skytrain line to the airport or the road improvements to Whistler, which are lovely conveniences for Vancouverites but which cost taxpayers in St John's a good deal of money (and which would have been done with federal money regardless) but it doesn't change the fact that the Olympics were a lousy way to get things done (the short platforms on the Canada Line are an example of the corners cut to meet the artificial deadline involved.)
So what we can say is that in a country with an effective, robust democracy, the Olympics were still an expensive, inefficient way of promoting public infrastructure. Sadly, they may have been "better than nothing" given our ongoing neglect of that infrastructure, but surely the lesson there is to improve our democracy, not volunteer to have a gun held to our head by the IOC.
The hosting of the Olympics by any city is prima facie evidence of democratic failure, and I would hope that no Canadian city will ever again act as host without a national vote posing the question, "Do we want to spend twice as much money on bribes and security as it would take to build a few useful infrastructure improvements, or do we want to give 1/3 the amount we would otherwise spend to the host city to build themselves a new LRT/highway/whatever if they promise to never put themselves forward as host for the five ring circus again?"
Neither group has great incentives for good long-term investment in infrastructure. The Olympics are desirable for emotional/patriotic reasons, and at the same time happen to set up an incentive structure which supports infrastructure investment.
Because its a money losing proposition for the host(s) in any case, and the payoff (such as it is) is the prestige of being the unique host. I suspect that splitting the events N ways would result in per-host costs of greater than 1/N times the single-host cost, and per-host perceived benefits of less than 1/N times the single-host benefits, and even less willingness to host.
In concrete terms, I'll pay $1 for a liter of water, but I won't pay $1M for a megaliter.
I suspect the opposite. Many cities and nations have the infrastructure to support a 1/N sized event with little to no investment. If events are hosted by cities that already have the facilities then costs consist of things like borrowing extra buses from nearby cities and paying overtime for police which seem negligible compared to current Olympic costs.
> per-host perceived benefits of less than 1/N times the single-host benefits
This rings true for me and I would add that the total esteem of the Olympic games would diminish. I think that it would be in the interest of host nations to split up the games, but against the interest of the International Olympic Committee.
Similarly, Salt Lake City was hardly a city before 2002 and now has a big tech industry, great public transportation and incredibly progressive compared to the rest of Utah.
Obviously it doesn't work out for everyone and costs have certainly gotten bloated in the last 20 years, but it's unfair to lump all the Olympic towns together like you do.
And to your point of making it international it would destroy tourist numbers for the event as (at least in my experience) the point of going to the Olympics is to take in the event as a whole, not just individual sports which no one really cares about outside of the Olympics.
What? Salt Lake City hardly changed with the Olympics. The ski resorts were already there, the hockey arena was already there, the Olympic stadium was already there. The main things that was added were some cool signage, a few Olympic monuments and some roadway improvements which were already in progress. One of the biggest things built, the Olympic Park - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Olympic_Park, isn't even in Salt Lake, it is in Park City.
Attributing Salt Lake City becoming what it is today because of the Olympics is causation/correlation. Maybe the Olympics came to Salt Lake because of what it was?
It's only negative ROI for the taxpayer. The Olympics and the World Cup are just excuses for graft.
That said, it will never happen because the IOC is effectively a PR firm at this point, they'll make much more money from a new country every 4 years than they will from Greece repeatedly.
I read this editorial four years ago, and I think of it often. It speaks of broken dreams (i.e., "I coulda been a contender"), what could have been, and the human experience.
[^1]: It was not clear to me why the author offered the Munich Massacre among the political costs of rotating the venue for the Olympics. It seems rather absurd to suggest that hosting the games in Switzerland would have prevented anything. Simply being in Switzerland did not prevent the Zug massacre.
I live in Colorado and I strongly disagree with this statement. The bullet train would be extremely practical. In the next couple of years DIA (Denver airport) will be connected via train to Union Station in downtown Denver. There is already talk about how easy it would be for tourist to fly into DIA , catch the train to Aspen, ski for the day, then catch the train back and stay in downtown Denver. This would help with traffic on I-70. In regards to the Olympics being hosted in Aspen or anywhere in Colorado, no thanks.
Neither of these organizations would survive a concerted effort on the part of any larger nation investigating into their finances. Threaten their livelihood, throw their officials in jail, and/or prevent their movement across political boundaries. Just blocking TV rights alone may be sufficient to put neutral members on their boards.
The IOC thinks they're the UN, with diplomatic immunity and semi-royalty status. They wouldn't live up to scrutiny, but no one would challenge them anyway.
If anything, FIFA's downfall may come from the fact that they're now funneling money to nations which are very much not part of that group, nations with little or no credibility in the sport.
>Oh, sure, president Thomas Bach said reform is needed for the bid process but this is a guy who spent his time in Sochi clinking champagne glasses with Vladimir Putin in an effort to help soften Vlad's global image. It worked for a week or so and Putin sent troops into the Ukraine. (How's that working out for you, Thomas?)
You want your own private road lanes in this busy city? Yessir!
But, I agree, it takes a bit away when you have all the planes, snowmobiles, etc...
While the author's conclusion is not necessarily wrong, this is very much a case of selective bias.
They have now grown so big that you need a city to support all the visitors, media, athletes, events, etc. But you also need big mountains with reliable snow.
The combination is hard to find, and it's getting harder every 4 years, probably due in part to global warming. Across most mountain ranges, permanent snowpack is shrinking, anomalous warm spells are happening more frequently, and mountain glaciers are losing mass.
Sochi had snow problems, which was not that surprising given the latitude, but so did Vancouver--and that was surprising. So did Turin. So that is 12 years of snow problems at the Winter Olympics.
They need to either shrink the footprint small enough to fit into real high altitude mountain towns, or give up some snow events. Neither seems likely.
The only thing that's interesting to me about this is what has prompted this change? The Internet (assuming it has created more aware citizens)? Dwindling budgets? A combination of several factors?
http://www.businessinsider.com/finances-of-the-ioc-2012-8?op...
You don't actually expect curling to be held directly on Heldenplatz either way?
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This clearly applies to this, as votes have spoken.