Show HN: CleverDeck – I built the spaced repetition app I always wanted
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But to name the big two:
1. I just wanted something I could pull out of my pocket and tell me what to learn. Of course I want to be able to customize it (and you can in CleverDeck), but I found myself spending so much time in the others creating and managing different lists. With CleverDeck, the app is the list. If I don't have time to add words that I'm encountering in the wild, then the app will pull from a default ordering that's sorted by "usefulness."
2. I didn't really like the user experience of others. Too many confidence levels led to cognitive fatigue; I had to tap through menus to find which lists had which number of cards I needed to review. With this, just open it and swipe. It just tells me when cards come up for me to review, and automatically presents 10 new cards the next day (or whatever I have the setting adjusted to).
I doubt anyone can replicate everything that Anki can do, but there's probably some gains to be had by cutting out complexity.
Is there anything to prevent interacting between the desktop app API and a web clipping browser plugin, in the same way that the Zotero connector plugin does with the Zotero app API for example?
But, for sure, CleverDeck is just one tool in a language learner's toolbox. I have DuoLingo on my phone. It's great. But not ideal for learning tons of vocab.
Istanbul doesn't generally feel much cheaper than San Francisco, except for rent. I pay $500 to live in a gorgeous apartment with a sea view in downtown Istanbul. That has really added up over time.
As another story to back this up, I moved to India when I was bootstrapping my first business. I got down to $2/day for food, and found free rent. This low personal burn rate massively extended the amount of runway available. Of course, Bangalore is no longer low cost, but there are plenty of places that still are.
I am from Austria (Western Europe) and have been in Istanbul some weeks ago. If you are not going to eat at tourist traps I had the feeling that eating was cheaper than in Austria.
Buying clothes and shoes was cheaper than in Austria too - so I guess the cost of living there is less than in Austria.
Beer and alcohol is / can be pretty expensive - but other than that I thoughts it is pretty cheap there (as a tourist)
There is a place for people learning english as a second language where you know enough to be able to communicate, but you don't have a good enough vocabulary to express more sophisticated ideas, or express simple ideas more elegantly. I am at this place and I am sure there are lots of others here.
Though, having an Advanced English deck - so people have good enough English to tell us all the problems we have - sounds like a terrific way to start :)
$14.99 seems to be a right price, too.
For the original question, there's an Anki deck for English idioms with sentences.[0]
[0] https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/846593111
Edit: It seems Anki is mentioned quite a bit further in the thread, so I'll skip defining it here.
I've been using Duolingo a lot, as well as Memrise. Memrise has been quite good so far, but it is certainly not very polished, whereas this seems extremely well-done.
Congratulations on the launch, this looks like a superb product and if it works for me I'd be happy to pay for it. That's a clever idea for in-app purchases too, by the way.
Either way, learning Spanish is definitely an advantage as there's crossover to Catalan. Hope you have a wicked time :)
I guess I better learn some basics...as if I didn't have enough to learn already. ;)
Would something like that require me custom adding every card? and somehow figuring out how to get pictures/symbols on the cards instead of just text? FWIW I don't know how hard that is with existing apps, maybe it's gotten easier.
Sorry if it is a derail.
I had been thinking of this (flashcards/learning) for a while and I ended up buying physical flash cards[1] that I can keep at my desk. At the time though I couldn't tell one note from another and like learning anything it seems impossible and pointless to start (and I'm not THAT old).
I sometimes wish I had the feedback (stats) that the apps have but I have learned and that was the goal.
I will probably end up coming back to this app when there are more languages though.
[1] I had downloaded Anki but got discouraged at the thought of building every single card myself and figuring out how to import it all. I tried to find some online that were premade but with no success I moved on. I don't consider myself lazier than the next person but this kind of made me feel like it.
My experience is that this kind of spaced repetition is dramatically effective. I'm working on an app (http://pianopracticeassistant.com/) to manage it, since I found that Anki is a poor fit for the real structure of practice. I started it to help me learn a pretty huge piece (The People United Will Never Be Defeated) with very limited practice time. I've made way more progress in the last six months managing my spacing/interleaving this way than in the six months before that with equally sparing practice.
Like gwern says, there's not a lot of direct evidence on music. I'm not aware of any studies in a laboratory setting that were equipped to directly show realistic spacing effects, as opposed to "non-musicians who played a fifteen-note passage once per day remembered it better." (Gwern links the Stambaugh 2009 study in his overview, which is a good one but which I interpret as more about interleaving than spacing.) But even though there aren't good lab studies, there are good expert case studies (The Practice of Practising has a good set [1]).
Actual real-world effective practice, as done by experts, seems to combine long-term spacing of practice between sessions with massed focused work on subsections within practice sessions. You also see interleaving patterns of section-by-section and integrative practice ("work and runs") in both the long- and short-term. Amateurs on the other hand tend to practice mostly in runs (playing things all the way through), and I'm not sure how much spacing alone can help otherwise ineffective practice.
[1]: The Practice of Practising, a figure showing "work and runs": http://books.google.com/books?id=IW9wKssw2hsC&lpg=PA9&ots=zg...
Are all the words nouns? Or are there verbs/adjectives/adverbs, too?
Is there a way to create a set of flashcards via a file upload? That'd be a wonderful feature!
There is a healthy mix of nouns, verbs, adjective, and adverbs.
There isn't currently anyway to add your own content outside of creating individual cards within the app. It's something that I'd like to get to (if people find the SRS system useful, I'd like people to do whatever they want with it).
If I remove cards from my deck to make room, does this mean any training on how well I've told it I know those words is lost?
Painful because yes, I would LOVE to. Let's see how people like it on iOS, then I can decide the best way to go about getting it in the pipeline as quickly as possible.
While I understand that porting and maintaining two applications is difficult, you're ignoring half your potential market.
Good luck, I hope to see the droid version soon.
No doubt that iOS is the bigger market, but Android is still plenty big and there is a dearth of well designed apps so I think it can still be rewarding.
Anyways, count me as another eagerly awaiting an Android port. Signed up on the website mailing list.
Cheers.
iOS users have historically spent significantly (4X? 10X?) more per user.
Check out Anki and Memrise. They, in my opinion, are the best SRS alternatives out there.
It's probably a better starting-point than starting from scratch, I'll say that for it. (I wasn't interested enough in language-learning to take it further.)
It may not have as many features as Anki, but it has a good plugin architecture and the UI is very simple.
If you can be bothered, please email me at justin@cleverdeck.com and let me know what you found. We'll push an update fixing any errors ASAP.
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How is "Reputation coaching" a bad thing? I don't even know what it is but unfortunately I also don't want to risk getting a red flag in the system because I'm trying to find out.
Anyone have any ideas?
In that particular case, we chose the Brazilian flag because the list and audio is target at Brazilian Portuguese. We should probably explicitly write "Brazilian."
Interestingly, we couldn't find a flag icon for Arabic that was neutral enough. So we just chose the green color from the Arab League flag (which I guess could itself be controversial) and wrote "Arabic" in white text.
Though, we will be launching Mexican and Canadian soon as well!
One question: is there a recommendation on whether to go with English-first or target-language-first when studying? I prefer to go with Spanish-first, but I don't know if there's any data on which is more effective. Thanks again!
In building this app, we didn't survey the research addressing that question specifically (though googling "L1 vs L2 flashcards" pulls up some interesting sites).
For me personally, speaking from 15+ years learning French, Chinese, and Turkish, it's native --> target. Learning that way helps me recall faster when I need to construct my own sentences. If you're looking just to learn to read, I think target --> native is easier and might be a better approach.
I've also had success starting with native --> target to familiarize myself with the word, then quickly switching to target --> native to solidify my ability to produce it on my own.
But good job, this app looks great!
It doesn't have pretty photos, but it does use a spaced repetition algorithm and have the flashcards ordered based on how commonly they will appear.
Edit: oh yeah, they were previously turned down by YC and then accepted by YC, or something. Don't know the details.
Pleco (it has flashcards as an in-app purchase)
Memrise (there are pre-made decks for HSK levels)
Anki (try the 'Mastering Chinese Characters' deck)
Looking at the network it seems the return value was success, but it says "We'll just need to confirm your email address".
Shouldn't there be some text or something besides a green border?
Either way this looks awesome...
The one gripe I have--about this and every other SRS--is that it seems geared ONLY for language learning. While SRS works very well for that, I suspect it works well for much more than that.
Is it because the App store doesn't support any form of trial? It may be unfair, but I always feel like I am being tricked when a purchase is set up this way?
It's freemium. You can download the full-featured app with a deck size of 50 (also enough to learn just enough words for a short trip for free). If you like it, you can add different increments to the total deck size through in-app purchases: 99 cents for +100, up to 14.99 for 3000.
Didn't mean to be tricky. I thought this was a good way to price it so everyone could try it, tourists could get what they needed for free, and every gradient of language learner could only pay for the amount they needed.
Most of the example sentences were hand-picked from tatoeba.org. That covered about 2700 of the words - our teachers wrote the remaining 300 or so.
Duolingo is nice, but it's not as good for cramming as for low-intensity, long-term learning. Anki is awesome for just "I'm going to memorize this speech like a poem"
Anki was my main SRS app for many, many years. I didn't like managing all my own lists (and was often buggy). I didn't like the UI. Adding pictures and audio was awkward. It didn't have some basic features like reminders or notifications built-in.
Also, I had to add all my own stuff to Anki. If you want to learn Spanish (for example), we've already done all the work of picking the 3000 words we think you should learn, added high quality images and audio to each one, and gave each an example sentence with translation. I think that's what's most exciting to me.
How? Presumably I'm being slow because others have managed it, but I can't figure out how to sign up to be notified...
I've been using Duolingo to learn Italian, and I'd love to see an Italian deck!
While of course you can just program your own cards into Anki or the like, being able to create new cards from dictionary definitions with one tap is very handy.
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EDIT: then I even realized there are only specific languages supported? we can't add our own? this is useless..
You must come from a very special place where you deserve so much more than this. This guy busted his ass to release something. Yes, it's on a single platform (for now). Yes, it only has three different languages (for now). Woe is you that he hasn't built precisely what you want on the platform of your choice.
Give me a break.
Makers and makers-to-be, don't be dissuaded by this kind of garbage attitude.