Snowden Documents Indicate NSA Has Breached Deutsche Telekom
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Africa_Command in Stuttgart/Germany. Imagine that, the US military activities for Africa are coordinated in Germany.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_European_Command in Stuttgart/Germany.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagger_Complex in Griesheim/Germany hosts 1000+ people working for the NSA.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consolidated_Intelligence_Cent... under construction in Wiesbaden/Germany, for the US Army and the NSA.
I am also convinced that the German authorities know much more than we like to think (they don't say that they know nothing), and I'm also pretty sure the NSA and CIA know as much as the German authorities.
"In cahoots with", "defers to", "is complicit with", "is subservient to", "is unquestioning towards"
See, you just need to sprinkle a little bit of vocabulary to taste. I'll admit, it doesn't have the same panache as your "dick", but it is less derogatory.
An example:
Most E.U. member countries relinquish the protection of their borders to the E.U. organization proper. Does it lessen the sovereignty of the country? Yes,for instance, because of that reason France didn't acquiesce to the E.U. and retains full sovereignty and their own military.
Is it treason? No, because they have defined treason to allow it.
Let's just not do this.
Sure, they cancelled the one was made public (http://bigstory.ap.org/article/germany-nixes-surveillance-pa...) but considering Germany was founded under US/British occupation, I would be surprised if there weren't less public agreements that state more or less the same. After all, the German government was paranoid about the Soviets at the time, so they were happy to have the US handle everything.
I would suggest that the Germans are more than either a client state or allies. They are a leading state in the EU if not its defacto leader, and the EU is not your grandfather's EU.
Whatever metapolitical order establishes itself in cyberspace will certainly respect the real world politics, which is that relations between the US and EU are tense, and Germany's relationship with its own Muslim population is ambiguous as regards the concepts being thrown around here -- 'treason' and 'duties of a citizen' and 'sovereignty'.
Technical persons would do well to think through what they really want out of the world political order, and to pursue policies with good will that are conducive to peace. Perpetuating the political order of the last century will be both futile and counterproductive.
It's culturally acceptable to be "critical of Islam". Though the middle-class right-wing party ProNRW "only" received 1.5% of all votes in the last regional election, fundamentalist Muslim groups like the Salafists get plenty negative media coverage and the tabloids routinely run articles about those evil scary people.
I don't think the US has any reason to doubt Germany's willingness to pursue Muslim extremists.
EDIT:
To give you a quick impression of the German zeitgeist:
Most Germans are not aware of their status within the EU. Although we do complain about having to bail out other EU members and are proud of our industry most people merely boast about these things without realizing how far ahead we are.
The reason many Germans are critical of the EU these days is almost entirely the financial meltdown various EU members went through in the recent years. We don't feel about the EU the same way we feel about our country, but we feel a lot closer to Europe than to anywhere else (except for the US and Canada).
As far as I can tell most Germans think of Canada is the friendlier, cleaner, backwater sibling of the US. The general idea also seems to be that it's a great place to emigrate to because it's full of Germans (which of course isn't entirely accurate).
Germans generally think that the German government is pretty oblivious towards its citizens outrage about the NSA surveillance, but most Germans don't give it much consideration either. Except for the tech-savvy, nobody seems to really believe the NSA is actively looking (or even passively scanning and recording) their data.
I would say that most Germans generally think that while relations between the US and Germany (or the EU in general) have seen better days the two are still very closely tied, or at least as closely as Germany and France, and definitely closer than Germany and Russia (because a lot of Germans grew up during the Cold War and conflate Russia with the Soviet Union like Americans frequently do).
The tech-savvy crowd is split.
The start-up world mostly seems to have no problem relying entirely on US companies for their infrastructure. I would say those who are concerned about their users' privacy are similarly represented as "greens" were before "being green" became mainstream.
Big corporations mostly don't honestly care, but some see the publicity as an opportunity to make more money by catering towards those seeking some level of privacy. The result is more about marketing that about actually solving real problems, though.
Oh, and as for Israel: saying anything bad about Israel still is the easiest way to be branded an anti-Semite and Germans care a lot about not appearing anti-Semitic. There is some concern for Palestine, but that's mostly fuelled by far left-wing (and, less noticeably, far right-wing) parties. I'd say Germans are less unquestioning about Germany's allegiance to Israel, but it's generally seen as a historic duty than honestly agreeing with Israel's politics.
Disclaimer: I'm a software developer in Germany. I have a lot of friends and acquaintances who are much less interested in technology and politics than I am, but my appraisal of the cultural zeitgeist is still probably not 100% accurate (it can only be a snapshot anyway).
Slightly less than 5%, mostly from turkey, 2/3.
Germany is allied with Israel, too. We delivered them the submarines which they use for their nuclear weapons.
> Also, we have been fighting wars in the Middle East for over a decade.
Much more than a decade.
> which is that relations between the US and EU are tense
Sure.
> Germany's relationship with its own Muslim population is ambiguous as regards the concepts being thrown around here
Sure.
* AS1299 (TeliaSonera)
* AS3549 (Level3/GBLX)
* AS6762 (TelecomItalia/Sparkle)
* AS3320 (DeutscheTelekom)
* AS1273 (CW Cable and Wireless)
* AS702 (Verizon/UUNET)
This list covers most of the uplink/transit/tier-1 providers, serving most of EU operators (TATA and TINET being the biggest absents here).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTjNkbLBEqg
There is a segment in the programme that starts at 4 mins 50 sec that explains how key fibre optic cables that connect the UK and US handle as much as 25% of all internet traffic. It also explains how relatively simple it is for GCHQ to insert an "optical tap" that allows them to capture the data that flows through the cables.
As an aside...pretty weak password for such an important system.
Millions of Germans that honestly believed they wouldn't be spied on anymore once they were part of the "free" West.
My problem is when my government collects tons of data about my own life and is then able to assemble it into any kind of crime they want. It's the collection of my personal information by my own government and then the use of that information for social control that I don't expect to happen. I would expect other governments to keep a close eye on me, especially if I were to get into a position where I could affect national policy. That is, after all, the role of an intelligence agency. [Insert long discussion about how spying and intelligence agencies have done a lot to prevent many wars.]
Why did they feel this way? Did they feel that freedom somehow meant being left alone by every government on the planet? There was a general understanding that people are in some form of agreement with their own government, right? And that this agreement had absolutely no bearing on any other government, right?
OP is correct. I have the expectation that my torment will not invade my privacy. I also have the expectation that my government protects me from other governments. That's just how it works.
For sure right now the reality isn't that effective - but that doesn't change my expectation.
This isn't just theoretical. Here is a very stark and relevant example of the power the US has over German citizens: http://www.theguardian.com/law/2012/dec/13/cia-tortured-sodo...
There are currently hundreds of millions of people living in parts of the world where 'benign' foreign surveillance is the difference between being alive tomorrow and a US drone strike on your house.
Hopefully I didn't present my opinion as some kind of solved problem. I agree that with the automation of collection and sharing of data, the game has changed. The original comment was about how people felt after the wall fell, and I thought it was a very strange thing for somebody to feel. Heck, if I were in their shoes, I'd be happy just not to have the secret police following me around.
There is a theory going around that somehow we can get along without any intelligence collection or data sharing at all. Frankly I do not understand how that would work. There are real threats and collecting intelligence about foreign entities and their intent has, over time, done great good for the world. In fact, there are many cases where the lack of good intelligence has caused much harm. But I'm willing to hear folks out.
Because the vast majority of people know - rightly - that they have never engaged in anything at all that would in any way affect any foreign governments. And usually not their own government either. They don't see any reason why anyone would want to subject them to surveillance.
Because of the shock and horror that people displayed when the extent of the Stasi surveillance was uncovered - at the time, even the most ardent regime critics tended to be surprised at the Stasi revelations.
It seemed impossibly paranoid for anyone to engage in the level of surveillance that the Stasi did.
Granted, technological progress have made Stasi level surveillance vastly easier, but I don't think most people are even now accepting just how much data is being captured and analysed.
That's mostly due to cold war propaganda, and the tons of movies and shitty shows like 24 that legitimize the notion that small nations (e.g Yugoslavia of yore, or some insignificant arab country) have spies everywhere and perform high-tech James-Bond like operations...
Foreign governments never cared/dared to spy on Americans like that. Most don't have the means, and even if they did, they have no power to do anything about what they find. And of course it they were caught they'd have to face the consequences from the 100000-pound global military, diplomatic and economic gorilla. Plus, most world governments are in cushy terms with the US.
The worst offender was USSR -- and then again it was insignificant to the level that is going on today, and USSR was a paper-tiger in lots of ways itself. Smaller countries, at worst, try to spy a little on delevelopments involving their country, e.g to spy on some diplomats, large businesses with interest in their area, etc. And that's talking about countries like France, Germany etc, not Belize or Albania or whatever.
Believing this is like believing the school bully is equally bullied himself from the other children.
What is the difference? The US has made explicit commitments to its people through things like the 1st and 4th amendments to protect their privacy.
This is of course unfeasible. The only way to make something like that feasible would be to link up our minds like the Borg. Still, the current state is not good enough.
What gone wrong here is that spying is now used for law enforcement, instead of a tool for diplomacy.
I wanted to post it, but it was already posted and is a dead link. Why? I don't know, but it's a creepy feeling.
[0] http://thehill.com/policy/technology/217618-spy-court-renews...
Spying on citizens of another nation is an act of aggression because it undermines the sovereignty of that nation. If you're outraged to find out the NSA is spying on US citizens, why wouldn't you be outraged to find out the US closest allies (say, Japan, the UK, France, Germany or Canada) are spying on US citizens?
Why should it be acceptable for them to do what would be unacceptable if your own elected representatives did it to you? But undermining the sovereignty of other nations seems to be SOP these days. See US drone strikes in Pakistan or the Russian not-quite-official involvement in the Ukraine.
It's not that what the NSA has been doing is orders of magnitude worse (though some would argue it is), it's the sum of all these things the US has been doing while the presidents and media are continuously cheering for Team America as the One True Beacon of Freedom and Democracy.
Europeans (and Germans in particular) have been uneasy about US politics and how they clash with the country's public image at least since the days after 9/11 (I remember thinking "oh crap, the US will go to war with someone over this") and this is just another drop in the bucket. I guess you react to ultra-nationalism differently if you a have strongly engrained cultural memories of what it's like to be a nation that is "superior" to everyone.
That's what we think in Germany. I get the impression that from the US side, Germany is merely one useful ally among many others.
edit: customers of the company were mostly in eastern europe, middle east and oceania, so maybe that was another reason ;-)
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(VM USA was a VMNO, but now it's more of a Sprint brand, since 2009 Sprint owns them outright)
Ross Anderson liked to point out that the crypto that some cell phones used to discourage you from using aftermarket batteries was stronger than the crypto they used to protect your voice calls over the air. He's also suggested that the crypto in GSM ended up more focused on subscriber authentication than on voice privacy.
There is also now a source for the notion that governments pressured the designers of GSM to make it not provide strong cryptographic privacy:
http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/uriks/Sources-We-were-pres...
Here is a sad thing: Governments are STILL pressuring the designers of GSM to make it not provide strong cryptographic privacy. Like, today. We got some documents from ETSI only a couple of years ago showing that they are designing a cryptographic backdoor mode for the official GSM end-to-end voice encryption, which isn't even deployed yet. The use of the backdoor mode will be optional according to carriers' view of their jurisdictional obligations.
Sorry, that last part is less on-topic for this thread. But in the big picture, I'm sure the people who are involved in those efforts are not making corresponding compromises in the billing and revenue-protection areas.
Hopefully they'll add recent NSA scandal to the syllabus.
By calling it entirely pointless you're dismissing a whole branch of philosophy. I know moral relativism is still popular among some groups of people, but there are other approaches to understanding morality. And no, I'm not talking about religion or Ayn Rand.
What exactly "ethically right" means is subjective.
> you're dismissing a whole branch of philosophy
Yes, and it's not the only branch I dismiss :-)
> but there are other approaches to understanding morality
For example? My problem with ethical systems is that they're built on a subjective feelings of rightness and wrongness.
Nothing in any of the snowden reports even hints at this - so I think your comment that "no patents have original ideas any more because of spying" is a little out there.
GP's comment is still far fetched. But US does indeed contemplate on starting economic espionage if they ever lose their tech lead.
Article in German: http://www.zeit.de/1998/39/199839.c_krypto_.xml
Some thinking points: a) Russia is next to Ukraine, so it's like they're dealing with a dispute in their borders (e.g not like certain countries that go across the globe to the middle east or asia to assert their "national interests"). b) Ukraine's legitimate voted for government was toppled by a minority (including nazi sympathizers) with western support. c) The population of Ukraine has tons of people that are pro-Russia and are of Russian descent. Crimea in particular had voted to unite with Russia time and again.
Imagine Mexico's legitimate government had been toppled by a Russian-supported coalition (with pro-nazi's among them). Imagine Baja California had 90% people of USA descent that had voted for union with California. What the US response to that would be?
I don't expect "knight on a white horse" or a beacon of justice, and I don't judge all situations the same. It's all a matter of degree and case-by-case basis, there's no black and white in politics. For the same reasons I'm against USSR's invasion of Afghanistan or Hungary too.
So, comparatively speaking, this is a 10 times more defensible situation that an all-powerful country invading/bombing a smaller one (and under false pretextes at that) to secure cheap resources and/or a favorable diplomatic outcome in the area. The hypocrisy of people treating those two situations the same is incredible.
Well, it was also not the business of outside powers, EU and US for starters, who supported (including secret funds) the toppling of the legitimate Ukranian government.
Second, countries with active invasions/occupations far away from their borders, with no local population there, under false pretexes, and with 100 times the casualties and force, have so little moral high ground on this it's funny.
And toppling a democratically elected government by its own people is completely okay when the government does no longer follow the will of the people. Admittedly it is not that straight forward in the case of the Ukraine with the opinion split almost fifty-fifty but at least it seems to be absolutely reasonable to me to demand reelections.
Your second point seems to assume that I am a US citizen and me being hypocrite. I am not a US citizen and I fully acknowledge that the USA has done worse things in the last decades. But that does not even matter at all - the misbehavior of other nations is no justification for the behavior of Russia.
The misbehavior in Ukraine was US gobertment giving 6 billion dollars to rebels against the democratically elected, Russian speaking majority.
It was the Secretary of State of the US who talked about the 6 billions they gave.
After forcing a coup d'Etat in Ukraine and protecting the rebels (no violence should be used), the Pro Russian majority revolted and then the US of course change their opinion to VIOLENCE SHOULD BE USED against pro Russians.
It become clear that the US put a puppet in Ukraine gobertment. It was only after that Russia secured Sevastopol against the occupation. Sevastopol has been Russian for centuries.
US was alone in their war against Russia until the civilian plane crashed. Europe leaders were told by companies that breaking almost a trillion dollars pacific relationship with Russia in order to satisfy US interest was crazy.
Instantly after the crash US and Germany (then France) condemned Russia without proof. To this day we have not a single proof that Pro Russians hit the plane.
Quite the contrary, the Pro Russians were winning and hitting a commercial plane was against their interest.
In fact I bet it was manufactured like the chemical attack in Syria in order to put public opinion on the side of politicians.
I am not Russian, I am European, and seeing European leaders go against their interest following the war mongering US is disgusting.
The US is afraid about Europe-Russia and China integration, as it could force US out of Euroasia, and the petrodollar to collapse.
The US wants to invade Iran in order to steal their natural gas(more reserves than anywhere else in the world), and Syria in order to force European gaseoduct gas to be controlled by the US.
For this first they have to weak Russia, as Russia faced the US when the US attacked both countries. Russia has their Mediterranean fleet in Syria and a pacific relationship with Iran.
If someone should be punished, it is the US.
What if US spies on German citizens, and Germany spies on US citizens and then they both exchange with each other what they have learned?
By worse things you mean camerons face? In an article that asks "why isn't GB [the NATO] bombing the shit out of iraq yet [again]?"
On the other hand, when Apple launches a new product, the front page looks like the front page of Apple.com, for more than 1 day.
(note: government != the people, who are justifiably mad)
The kids at school that work out their own homework go on to do well. The kids that copy from others don't really succeed too brilliantly. Those that copy are a step behind.
In terms of innovation, I don't see American goods as anywhere near as polished as their German counterparts. I would take the lowest spec. German car over any American car in current production without hesitation. The same applies to white goods and even cakes!
There are quality things made in the US, just not many domestic brand cars.
It isn't a mere house of cards; we bully developing countries for their resources, too.
>The kids at school that work out their own homework go on to do well.
This is true, to some extent, but it isn't a guarantee.
>The kids that copy from others don't really succeed too brilliantly. Those that copy are a step behind.
Are you implying some kind of meritocracy exists? Because I would disagree. Some of the kids that cheat seem to do quite well, much to our collective detriment.
In terms of innovation, I don't see American goods as anywhere near as polished as their German counterparts.
I agree. IMO some of that is a deliberate compromise between durability and cost, and some of it is probably just industrialized sloth and rent seeking. We do still have lots of innovation here, but IMO we've lost that edge, and are doing nothing that would help us regain it, or even remain competitive.
> I would take the lowest spec. German car over any American car in current production without hesitation. The same applies to white goods and even cakes!
You might be interested to know that I have two German (and two American) cars in my drive right now. I'm happier with the 1982 model though than I am with the 1999; but even with their problems they are superior to their American "equivalents". German cakes? You've gone a step too far!
To be fair, my reasons for moving to Germany were a) my wife, and b) German cakes. My wife came first by the narrowest* of margins! ;-)
* Only kidding dear wife (should you happen to read this in the future).
The United States owns the tech industry. There's nowhere in the world comparable to Silicon Valley. I'm not familiar with other industries so YMMV there.
> In terms of innovation, I don't see American goods as anywhere near as polished as their German counterparts.
What about Boeing? Apple? Intel? AMD? NVIDIA? Tesla? SpaceX? From my perspective as a Canadian, the United States makes some of the best stuff in the world.
> I would take the lowest spec. German car over any American car in current production without hesitation. The same applies to white goods and even cakes!
I'd take a Tesla over any car in production period.
Those that copy eventually stop copying and start innovating. See the US, Japan or Korea for examples.
> In terms of innovation, I don't see American goods as anywhere near as polished as their German counterparts. I would take the lowest spec. German car over any American car in current production without hesitation. The same applies to white goods and even cakes!
I'm not American but that's ridiculous. You're typing these words using (most likely) a CPU from a US company, on either a US-made OS, or one that contains really a lot of code from US software engineers. Bell Labs have defined a huge part of the modern software landscape. There is Edison, NASA, Boeing, Apple. And obviously, we have a discussion in a forum funded by a company whose business model is to foster innovation.
His revelations about domestic surveillance were important and timely (if not surprising to people who've been paying attention). But here, he's leaked data that's unarguably within the laws under which the NSA operates - it's a foreign telecom operator that operates abroad.
Releasing this information isn't whistle blowing, it's pursuing a political agenda.
My impression from all I have read about the Snowden affair is that some time ago he gathered some very large number of documents (large enough that he couldn't have gone through them all by hand, rather it seems he did something like a giant data dump). He then encrypted these documents, disseminated them to a small number of individuals/locations, and now he is not necessarily in control of them any more, perhaps even he no longer has access to them all.
This doesn't address the more general question, if you gather a crapload of documents indiscriminately, and then you end up losing control of them (and losing control of the ability to release what you want and not release what you don't want to), are you nevertheless responsible for future releases?
I don't know the answer to that
Furthermore, that review was to ensure that it was material the the public "needed to know" and wouldn't actually harm the U.S. (as he claimed he could do).
So the question of who ended up with the material after Snowden is irrelevant, inasmuch as Snowden himself says he signed off on each and every single leak you see in the media derived from that initial document dump, even if he didn't directly control the editorial process of each media (or activist) outlet doing the publishing.
The alternative (that Snowden didn't actually review every document and simply negligently put stuff out there) is bad for him too, as it makes him a liar.
In either event this is indicative of a political agenda, not some concern with American civil liberties. But we've already known that since his leak of phone tapping in a certain Central Asian country where American (and allied) forces are fighting for their lives each and every day, something which can't possibly implicate American civil liberties.
Snowden has misinterpreted some of the few documents that were widely released. For example, he thought direct data collection from facebook to mean the NSA had a direct access to facebook servers. When in fact it just meant the NSA would get the data from facebook, rather than listening to snooping on telecom links, or as they called it "indirect" access.
If he can't get even basic details right, how the hell can you trust him to know when a file would expose a source?
Would you trust your DBA to judge which of your files were okay to be posted on the internet? I sure as fuck wouldn't. One of mine quit last month because he was afraid of Ebola. He did good work though . . .
Not true.
> as they called it "indirect" access
NSA also tapped FB upstream.
> Would you trust your DBA to judge which of your files were okay to be posted
Would you trust the NSA to judge which of your comms are ok to steal?
The rest of your comment doesn't address what I said.
Which might have made sense as a defense if Snowden was talking about MUSCULAR... but he was talking about PRISM, and by your logic (saying he had IC expertise and wasn't simply a sysadmin) he should have known better than to confuse "direct access to Facebook" with "data directly from Facebook's servers".
Why is that crazy to believe? I think it's crazier to believe that the only people who should be given the official authority to decide which secrets to keep are those who are directly and strongly incentivized to keep secrets about atrocious programs like those which Snowden has leaked.
Because he doesn't know what he is looking at. He doesn't know what he doesn't know. He doesn't know what has been said to foreign diplomats.
>I think it's crazier to believe that the only people who should be given the official authority to decide which secrets to keep are those who are directly and strongly incentivized to keep secrets about atrocious programs like those which Snowden has leaked.
I would be behind an independent group to review this sort of stuff. But it can't be one political dood who thinks he is doing the right thing.
Snowden "chose for himself" just as much as John Walker "chose for himself" to figure out U.S. Navy anti-submarine doctrine during the 80s and pass it to the Russians.
What's worse, even if it were true, your conclusion doesn't make sense and is just a cheap shot based on your own political views. Nothing about his stated motives are undermined by these releases, whether you agree with his actions or not.
Note the date.
Here's the quote:
"I carefully evaluated every single document I disclosed to ensure that each was legitimately in the public interest," he said. "There are all sorts of documents that would have made a big impact that I didn't turn over, because harming people isn't my goal. Transparency is."
The article itself continues immediately:
"He purposely chose, he said, to give the documents to journalists whose judgment he trusted about what should be public and what should remain concealed."
His first sentence said "...every single document I disclosed..." (emphasis added). Note how he didn't say "every single document I copied from NSA"; he was referring to documents he disclosed, and those documents were only disclosed to the journalists you're referring to.
What this means is that if a journalist ever showed you a Snowden leak at all, it was because it passed through Snowden's self-professed "carefully evaluated" disclosure review.
Stop blaming the journalists, Snowden himself specifically said that if those journalists have any of his documents at all, it was because Snowden intended specifically for them to have it.
It is your rightful opinion to have, though. Others might wonder whether spying on an important military and economic ally is not, in fact, at least as bad.
Exposing the secret police agencies for dereliction of duty, corruption, violation of the law and their own enabling legislation, and counterproductive stupidity isn't treason. There's no war involved and no aid and comfort to the enemy.
"Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason? Why, if it prosper, none dare call it treason." [1] We don't yet know if the USA will return to constitutional government from the path it has been taking. Whether Snowden will be honored or despised in this nation will be one barometer of our future.
Also, Deutsche Telekom is a major ISP and radio telecom provider in the USA as well as abroad.
[0] United States Constitution, Article 3
[1] John Harrington
So if you have a strictly America-first orientation towards the world, feel free to continue the justification. But if you can see the world outside the pretty box, Snowden is one of the most important figures in the world today. He represents what America used to be: brave, honorable, and doing what's right in face of the certain personal danger one faces when going up against totalitarian systems of control which have the purpose of enslaving us all.
This is preposterous. It would make sense to blame the American people for the actions of the American government if there was a strong correlation between public opinion and government policy. I would argue that there is no such strong correlation, and even if there were, the blame would only apply to the specific individuals who approve of the government policies.
You can't just assume the middle school civics class description of government as reflecting the will of the people, then conclude therefore that the people are to blame for the actions of the government.
To be explicit: I am an American citizen (an accident of birth), I approve of and consent to very little of what the US government does, and I accept no responsibility for what the US government does.
That said, wrt to Snowden being a traitor... if that is your reaction to "the previous and current administrations have created a completely out-of-control behemoth which invades both our and our allies' privacy without any oversight, and therefore threatens the notion of free and fair election anywhere in the western world", maybe you should rethink your priorities.
Have a look at RIPA, one important bit of law that regulates GCHQ: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2000/23/contents
Here's an example of GCHQ being mentioned as exempt from a law. This is the sexual offences act; GCHQ are allowed to "make"[1] a photograph of child sexual abuse if it's needed for a function of GCHQ. http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/section/46
Peoe said when RIP was a bill that it was too strong and did not offer enough protection.
The poor quality of oversight of GCHQ is surprising.
[1] make here is a technical term and includes "make a copy of a digital file".
Well, I don't know about that. The fact that they're happily sending everything to the NSA can hardly be compatible with EU data protection law, and considering that their best friends, the US intelligence and law enforcement services, were caught red-handed doing illegal wiretaps right before the executive branch retroactively made it legal, well, it doesn't inspire much confidence. Now, if you start looking at, say, the activities of the British secret services during the Thatcher era, you come to realize that there may be a slight gap between the things they admit to do, and the stuff they actually do.