How the global banana industry is killing the world’s favorite fruit
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A lot of old true-to-seed breeds of plants with diverse sets of attributes (like e.g. being more resistant to certain environmental conditions) haven't been cultivated for economic reasons and consequently have become extinct by now.
There are some enthusiasts trying to preserve those old breeds by running seed-banks but they have a hard time to do so even here in Europe because of corporations like Monsanto and their heavy lobbying trying to outlaw this movement.
Arche Noah:
"In the past 100 years we have lost about 75 percent of agricultural diversity worldwide."
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&pr...
Related - I was just posting on this topic on the Red Delicious thread which popped up on the HN frontpage:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8301185
Edit: I can't see why this gets downvoted, it is clearly on-topic and relevant.
I think it is mostly government supported now, but in the past, it's been the case that banana companies have supported research into creating new varieties, which is sort of the opposite of the claimed corporate agenda of making it impossible to maintain heirloom varieties.
If you create a GMO which is targeted to kill some insects or plants, there is then a huge incentive due to the large size of the crops and the lack of diversity for a new kind of insect / plant to resist to this GMO, it would have a massive competitive advantage and could spread much more quickly. There is only a benefit in the first years you are using it until the environment is adapting itself.
I'm not sure why you downvoted but one interesting detail is that current GMO's are not equivalent between them, unlike their traditional counterpart. There is huge differences between the same plants on the same crop and current GMO's are not stable (in the scientific term).
That's what I mean by we know how to create GMO's properly with a reliable technique. This however might change in the future.
Your down votes may be because of that, because your sentence looks a bit like the typical uneducated anti-gmo/monsanto hate.
http://www.eldis.org/go/home&id=18407&type=Document
which has been used against at least one seed bank.
At a quick glance, it indeed lends itself very well to corporatocratic usages.
Having said that though, it's quite unsettling how there is much blogging about "monsanto lobbying against seed banks", without absolutely any reference which is not word of mouth.
https://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php?id=D00000005...
The privatization of water and food as population control and hostile takeover of land is very real.
> The privatization of water and food as population control and hostile takeover of land is very real.
I'm sorry, but this sounds like tin foil hat nonsense. Care to substantiate that?
The link to the full paper isn't working but if that is who I think it is (Vandana Shiva) I'd take that paper with a massive grain of gluten-free sea salt. She's the one responsible for the Indian farmer suicide myth, as well as a bunch of other complete nonsense.
We call it "taking the pipe". I'll be joining others in the complete nonsense in less than two years.
http://online.wsj.com/articles/gardeners-on-alert-as-pennsyl...
As for word of mouth, until John Deere adds a repeater onto their tractors it's what we have to work with. I'd use my Chromebook, but Google's networking layer in Javascript continues to remain broken.
Probably more than 50% of the books I buy come from recommendations on HN, and I've been rarely disappointed.
And all bananas are cloned from the same variety, one reason this virus is such a concern.
No idea if the change of banana varieties also affects it, or not.
Anecdotal evidence: A friend that traveled to Panama tasted the Gross Michel and said that the flavor is closer.
Did you read the article? One of the MAIN POINTS of this article was that this oft-repeated 'fact' is untrue. That, in fact, only a small portion of bananas are Cavendish grown for export, and that the non-cavendish (not cloned) bananas are also vulnerable to this fungus (not virus).
I was in Indonesia recently, and the markets there had tons of different banana varieties. And they all had a lot more taste than the Cavendish. Export those to us!
What the big banana growers are looking for is another sterile banana variety that they can plant from cuttings that will never evolve, but will somehow be resistant to all the new fungi that nature is likely to throw at it in the future. Not that likely to happen.
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/48150458/ns/technology_and_science...
Because of how domesticated bananas are reproduced, it's a good lesson on the problems with monoculture.
However, I wouldn't rule out a difference in the actual flavour being a big factor too.
http://webebananas.com/culture.html
>Maturity and ripeness are two different things. Mature bananas may be picked green and will ripen off of the tree. This is how all commercial bananas which you purchase in the supermarket are done. Immature bananas will not ripen properly. Hanging time on the tree, to achieve maturity is different for each variety. I have ripened Kru fruit after only 6 weeks hanging time. However, my first bunch of Saba fruit required 11 months on the tree before ripening.
>Color change is evidence of ripening. Different varieties have different shades of yellow when ripe. Once again, becoming familiar with your particular variety is crucial.
>Knowing when to pick your bananas is the final step in enjoying your harvest. I approach each new variety this way: when the first hand (not the flower) appears, (this is the most important step) I write the date on the side of the stalk with a felt pen. After 6 months, if they have not shown any color change, I cut off the top (oldest) hand, and allow it to ripen (usually in a couple weeks). If it is OK, I continue removing hands as I need them. Eventually the rest will ripen on the “tree”.
there are tons of types of banana. and none have this sweet, tutti frutty flavour the banana imported into the US has.
so, your wild banana is just one kind of a hundred.
south asia is the the same as south america, but with a whole lot of other kinds of bananas.... so there is plenty of variety other than cavendish and wild. most of the wild ones around brazil have almost invisible seeds. and are very easy to peel. and they go from huge (nanica... ironically means tiny) to very small ones (prata, ouro)
Hell, I should just go buy some and see what they taste like.
That's how my wife and I always do it and over the years we've discovered a lot of very nice dishes we'd otherwise have never heard of. Just stay clear of black salsify -- it's tasty but very difficult to prepare without making a mess.
In the U.S. it is increasingly difficult to grow one's own food due to legislation against small farms and seed libraries.
1) https://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php?id=D00000005...
http://cumberlink.com/news/local/communities/carlisle/depart...
Incredible.
Across Latin America are panicking because their entire livelihoods are threatened by this.
FYI: Bananas are a parents goto fruit when your child is hungry and needs something healthy that is bulky and quick.
And portable with its own wrapper, doesn't stain, easy to wash out of clothes, and perhaps most importantly: it isn't green :)
But maybe someone finds a way. Anyway, I want to remind how papaya cultivation in Hawaii was almost wiped out by a virus disease, but they did some genetic engineering in the 1990's, and after that everything has been fine.
http://hawaiitribune-herald.com/sections/news/local-news/pap...
Well, Europe still bans the import of GMO food. But at least everyone else gets to eat Hawaiian papaya.
Plus previous scandals Dole dumping poison on their workers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bananas!*
The thumbnail summary: bananas only started being widely consumed in the 1960s because of heavy marketing efforts by Central American railroad builders (they had to do something with the land along the sides of the newly built railroads, and bananas happened to fit).
They are heavily chemically treated, more than any other fruit. They've been a monoculture almost since Day 1.
Oh, another fun fact, those little stickers on bananas? They were one of the first examples of 'branding'
I didn't find this article all that well written or informative. I recommend Chapman's Bananas: How the United Fruit Company Shaped the World
I also happened to read John McPhee's Oranges at the same time. The contrast between the orange (an ancient fruit, widely consumed, hardy, with a rich literary tradition) and the banana is stark.
Both books, by the way, are great little studies in technology business. Techno-optimism, marketing, PR, globalization, manic CEOs; it's all there.
Bananas are heavily chemically treated with ethylene, an inert gas which causes plants to ripen faster and is harmless to humans.
(Fun fact: It's why bananas are never put next to other fruit in the supermarket, because they will cause other fruit to ripen and spoil faster.)
Bananas also haven't been a monoculture since day 1 either - but have been developed that way through centuries of selective breeding. The article outlines the monoculture problem quite well, but doesn't really mention that it's because the consumable plant [mostly] only reproduces asexually.
What's wrong with using tiny stickers on fruit for 'branding'?
Indeed, with food production, the evidence and points of view are always very diverse and nuanced. It's a complex subject--endless, really.
Here's a clip about banana chemical treatment...
> "...Zemurray finally addressed the problem. He found a solution, which he called 'Bordeaux Mixture' and that combined copper sulphate, water, and lime. Zemurray's experts cautioned him against its overuse but he had it pumped on the plantations in increasing quantity. It was a cocktail with quite a pleasant name, but the giveaway was in the title of those employed to spray and pump it: veneneros, or for want of a better translation, 'poisoners'
I would be very interested to find out if the industry decreased the pesticide/fungicide load since this was documented. I'm quoting secondhand here, Chapman notes in the 2007 book
> Of the world's food crops, the banana is the most chemically treated (so we depend on its skin's ability to prevent disease)
The story of marketing bananas is such a strange one. The 'Father of Public Relations', Edward Bernays, was heavily involved. There isn't a compelling dietary reason to eat bananas (expect, I suppose, if it's the only thing you've got). They resorted to the same marketing tactics that were used to sell cigarettes.
> "Samuel Crowther...looking back on nearly twenty years later on these early days of United Fruit in his book The Romance and Rise of the American Tropics, what was being discovered was that 'demand is a thing which must be created" (51)
Without getting into too much of a discussion about health and diet... I find that the heuristic that "anything new is bad" seems to work pretty well with food. Trans fats, high fructose corn syrup, factory farms, etc.
The history of bananas shows that the production and demand for the fruit is both very new and completely artificial.
Again, please feel free to draw your own conclusions. The only point to make here is that I found the reading surprisingly fascinating -- a banana is not just a banana.
Not all "chemicals" are evil.
A while ago Monsanto ran a series of condescending ads whose tagline was "without chemicals life itself would be impossible"
http://peterfeld.tumblr.com/post/51503279414/monsanto-ad-197...
Bananas are one of the oldest agricultural crops known to man (8000 BC) - there's no reason to "go bananas" about them.
There was demand for bananas before, but mostly as a local crop.
Here is some actual data from 2009, with analysis for Brazil by a proper agency (ANVISA's PARA, Project for Analysis of Agrotoxic Residue in Food):
http://portal.anvisa.gov.br/wps/wcm/connect/1424b98041ebbfb7...
It's in Portuguese, but you can find a nice color table in page 7 with fruit and vegetable names (rows) and states (columns) providing an idea (red == bad).
Bananas do better than pretty much anything else tested there.
Not even close. Craftsman's marks -- the original trademarks -- are pretty much the original form of branding, and predate banana stickers by by probably on the order of a couple thousand years.
http://www.damninteresting.com/the-unfortunate-sex-life-of-t...
It's very hard to genetically modify a plant that doesn't produce any seeds! Can bananas produce seeds? Yes, apparently:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panama_disease#The_response
It is an ongoing research project. The Gros Michel itself is not gone; there are a number of plants still living, but currently they are trying to deal with the strange banana chromosomes: bananas have three chromosomes -- an odd number!
Huh? Gene modification in plants is almost always done on individual cells that are then grown into fully-differentiated plants using tissue culture techniques. There are well established protocols for this. Bananas are routinely grown from tissue culture.
Here is an example of a genetically modified banana: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/here-come-the-super-bananas
That article talks about them applying for clinical trials, but I'm pretty sure they don't have the carotene transformed banana plant yet (unless it's unpublished).
It seems that with each meiosis step the banana plants become less fertile.
The BBC has an excellent series, downloadable as podcasts. Here's the episode talking about Nikolai Vavilov.
Side note, I've been interested in fruits, and the fruit trade so I've been trying to find out more information about how it all works. It is hard. Pretty much any hard data that comes out is from the USDA, no private entity does any sort of research or tracking of the movement of fruits. Farmers either don't care about that sort of stuff to do it on their own, or aren't technologically advanced enough to try and do it themselves.
Apparently, the Polynesians gave up the cultivation of rice (from their native Taiwan) and cultivated the breadfruit instead wherever it grew.
The NTBG is trialing the use of breadfruit to combat starvation in tropical nations[2]: hopefully, in the event of a Bananapocalypse, breadfruit could help alleviate the loss.
What? But what about the Goldfinger? I thought that was Race 4 resistant (Wikipedia seems to agree: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldfinger_banana ), as well as tastier than the relatively bland Cavendish.
Banana's do not have proteins. Generally speaking proteins can be found in meat. Banana has 0% cholesterol and big quantities of Potassium and Magnesium which help considerably with muscles (e.g. heart). That's their main benefit nutrition-wise.
Avogado, spinach and sweet potato (boiled/natural) has bigger amounts of Potassium.
A banana has ~1g - 1.5g of protein. By dried weight, it's a lower % of protein than a lot of other fruits. I admit it isn't much (it's about as much protein as 1 teaspoon of peanut butter).
Almost _everything_ has protein in it. You get your recommended daily intake of protein at around 9 large baked potatoes.
Anyway, you're right proteins can be found virtually everywhere.
That isn't true at all.
And it only brings up the question: Where does the meat get the protein?
Animals can not make protein (or more accurately amino acids), only plants can. (Maybe some microorganisms too? Not sure.) Animals can only rearrange existing amino acids into other amino acids or into proteins.
All plants have protein, some more than others. Grains and legumes have the most of the plants.
But basically animals can only rearrange other amino acids, they can not be make them from basic elements.
Only 9 of the 22 "standard" amino acids can't be synthesized de novo by the human body.
How exactly would you make an amino acid from glucose or a fatty acid? There is no nitrogen in either of those.
All those amino acids are made from OTHER amino acids.
The Critic acid cycle is awesome, but it can not perform nuclear synthesis. It has no way to making nitrogen.
As I've said 3 times already, it makes amino acids from other amino acids.
One of the ingredients is NAD, which is made from tryptophan or aspartic acid, both of which are amino acids.
You are simply wrong, and you need to update your information.
Animals can only make amino acids from other amino acids.
Or niacin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niacin
NAD is made of nicotinamide AND Adenine. Adenine is in turn made from the amino acids glycine, glutamine, and aspartic acid.
Are you going to acknowledge you were wrong, and actually learn something? Or will you keep arguing?
Us animals are capable of amino acid synthesis for some amino acids.
> Us animals are capable of amino acid synthesis for some amino acids.
Really? You can make an amino acid from ammonia?
No, you can not. You can only make amino acids from other amino acids.
Here, I'll even link if for you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amino_acid_synthesis#From_inte...
Follow each of the pathways there, and you will see. Each non-essential amino acid is made from another amino aid.
Where will you move the post after you find out about niacin?
Nothing has changed in what I said since then.
> Where will you move the post after you find out about niacin?
As I replied elsewhere niacin alone is not enough.
Because as far as I know it also threatens a lot of diverse plant life, especially rare species and living fossils.
Yeah, but can you eat those?