Shen more strongly typed than Haskell?
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In fact, Haskell, in particular GHC with the right set of language extensions, is increasingly capable of implementing various strengths of dependent typing. See http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Dependent_type for a discussion of various approaches and a very useful set of links to other resources, some of which discuss this exact use-case.
If we look at Haskell's Maybe or Swift's option type we have a clear case: There is no ambiguity between an unset variable and a variable set to a null or zero value, i.e., we can clearly express that something isn't there. That allows us to avoid magic numbers as a (horrible) workaround.
What do dependent types gain us?
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Rather than clutter up the thread, I'll thank everyone here for the detailed responses below. Really, really interesting stuff.
> All of the functions above depend crucially upon the compile time invariant of having a fixed size list. They therefore work for any type-homogenous tuple, for instance, but we'd have to define the functions for each tuple independently. Using `Vect` we can classify the entire family of fixed-sized type-homogenous vectors all at once and dispatch functionality across the whole family.
That's pretty much exactly what I was looking for. Thanks again.
But really, in many cases you don't want to return "Maybe a" just because you did some operation that involved (somewhere in its middle) taking the head of a list. In some languages you would use "fromJust" or other fundamentally unsafe (in that they can lead the program to terminate abruptly if misused, and in that the compiler cannot help you use them properly) methods to present the interface you want. But ideally, you would have a head function that the compiler would only allow to be called on lists that can be proven non-empty, and which wouldn't need to wrap its return value in Maybe.
In a "typical" typesystem, encoding useful information (like how many times you can call tail on a list) into types can be very difficult. For this particular application, you could try to keep track of how many elements are in a list by constructing lists with a generic function that wraps the type it's given in a Cons<T> wrapper, but this approach can run into issues relatively quickly, depending on the language you're using. That said, in some typesystems which aren't fully dependently-typed, you can manage tricks like this, and they can solve this use-case in those contexts.
What full dependent types give you is the ability to have types depend arbitrarily on terms (values), such that lists whose types "know their length" are very simple to write, and much more complex guarantees about what your values get up to become possible to implement as types. The downside to this is that running the typechecking algorithm essentially requires arbitrary computation to be performed by the compiler; this can't always be guaranteed to terminate, and may take a few minutes even when it does.
Everybody's favorite example is fixed-size Vectors. You'd write them like
data Vect : (n : Nat) -> (a : Type) where
[] : Vect 0 a
_::_ : a -> Vect n a -> Vect (n+1) a
and then we could statically ensure things like being incapable of taking the head of an empty Vect head : Vect (succ n) a -> a -- even if n = 0, succ n = 1
Or, more cleverly, ensuring that two Vect append to their summed length (++) : Vect n a -> Vect m a -> Vect (n+m) a
But the real fun begins with things like "unsequencing" seq : Vect n (a -> b) -> (a -> Vect n b)
unseq : (a -> Vect n b) -> Vect n (a -> b)
Try to write that with plain lists [0] and you'll find that you are missing certain information about the inputs which make it impossible to do such that seq and unseq are mutual inverses.You can define "zippy" `Applicative` instances for Vect which are not necessarily infinite (unlike List's ZipList instance). Also notice that the following definition of (<star>) is complete despite missing some "obvious" pattern matches... they can never arise and the types ensure it.
instance Applicative (Vect n) where
pure a = {- elided, but notice that this is tricky -}
[] <*> [] = []
(f :: fs) <*> (x :: xs) = f x :: (fs <*> xs)
We can also write a Traversable instance instance Traversable (Vect n) where
traverse inj [] = pure []
traverse (a :: as) = (::) <$> inj a <*> traverse as
and then we can get an "obvious" matrix transposition function type Matrix n m a = Vect n (Vect m a)
transpose : Matrix n m a -> Matrix m n a
transpose = traverse id
All of the functions above depend crucially upon the compile time invariant of having a fixed size list. They therefore work for any type-homogenous tuple, for instance, but we'd have to define the functions for each tuple independently. Using `Vect` we can classify the entire family of fixed-sized type-homogenous vectors all at once and dispatch functionality across the whole family.As a final, much more sophisticated trick, we can look into why that seq/unseq bit worked. Essentially, what we have is that Vect n a is isomorphic with the function
Vect n a ~ (Fin n -> a)
In other words, it's a function from the finite set of size `n` to values `a`. If we assume some isos and `flip` up : Vect n a -> Fin n -> a
dn : (Fin n -> a) -> Vect n a
flip : (a -> b -> c) -> (b -> a -> c)
then we can write seq/unseq trivially seq : Vect n (a -> b) -> (a -> Vect n b)
seq v a = dn (flip (up v) a)
unseq : (a -> Vect n b) -> Vect n (a -> b)
unseq f = dn (flip (up . f))
In a dependently typed language you can not only create types with these kinds of properties, express the isomorphism above, work generally over these kinds of structures, but you can even generalize the notion of "container" types, types which are functions from a particular shape to their values, in a way that is far more expressive than Haskell would allow.---
And to be honest, all of the above are sort of silly examples. Far more sophisticated type invariants are routinely encoded in DT languages. It's hard to even begin talking about what's going on there.
[0] http://stackoverflow.com/questions/25654641/is-it-possible-t...
I suppose it can still work if you want to do things with the covariance/correlation matrix: you may not know the number of rows before hand, but you know the number of columns, or know that two data sets will have the same number of columns.
It's hard to say exactly how useful this is in practice. More honestly, this is a rather trivial example mostly used to demonstrate DT.
One use of it is in implementing de Bruijn indexed lambda calculus interpreters---if you let the environment be a sized vector then you can use `n` to ensure there aren't bad variables in scope and to take note of closed expressions.
As I understand it, the idea behind dependent typing is to safely separate a runtime check from the code that relies on the check. A runtime check can be done early in the dataflow and only done once (or at compile time for a constant), rather than repeatedly re-checked each time a function uses a value, and the compiler proves this is safe. For this to work, we must encode what we've proven (for example, the length of a list) into the return type at the time we do the runtime check. (Or for a constant, the compiler can calculate the type and we can remove the runtime check altogether.)
A very simple sort of check is just to make a NonEmptyList type and ensure that it can only be constructed if the list is non-empty. Everything downstream can rely on this with no runtime check at all. But I'm not sure this even counts; it seems like you need to encode more than one bit of data to make it a dependent type.
A more interesting example might be an unzip function that returns two lists that are proven to be the same length. In a regular programming language, the unzip function could return an EqualLenghtListPair type and then you could pass both lists around together, never having to check if their lengths are equal again. But the number of special-purpose types you need gets awkward fast so this isn't really practical without language support.
data NEL a = NEL a [a]
nel :: [a] -> Maybe (NEL a)
nel [] = Nothing
nel (a:as) = Just (NEL a as)
data EqLen a b = EqLen [a] [b]
unzip :: [(a,b)] -> EqLen a b
unzip [] = EqLen [] []
unzip [(a, b):rs] =
let EqLen as bs = unzip rs
in EqLen (a:as) (b:bs)
A dependently typed language can of course do these things (the most popular of them are strict supersets of HM languages after all) but generally they would use dependent types to construct richer and more flexible typing invariants.Note, that power is a tradeoff in type systems. Typically, greater power can be beneficial for encoding more sophisticated predicates into the type system... but it'll almost certainly have consequences. Normally, power leads to a loss of inference, a need to pass around more type information to prove your claimed types, and/or loss of totality.
Whether the power is worth it depends upon your domain.
Translating, the original problem was:
(if (null? xs) (cdr xs) xs)
So: (define (mytl xs) (if (null? xs) (cdr xs) xs))
And: (mytl '())
Error: (cdr) bad argument type: ()
It appears (mytl) emits a type error in this instance.This is obviously a run-time error, and without specific effort I don't think it would be known at compile-time in the Scheme implementations I'm familiar with.
Since the Scheme expression appears to embody the semantics of the original problem, I'm inclined to think it shows an underlying difference in the handling of the null list between CL and Scheme implementation I used.
If I'm completely wrong, and I can't rule out that possibility, I hope someone will point in the right direction.
In Shen you have "hd" and "tl" which use whatever the platform provides (in Scheme it is going to fail, in Common Lisp it is going to return the empty list), and "head" and "tail" which work the same on all platforms (it is an error to pass an empty list to them, just like in Scheme).
> If I manage to get Shen working (under Chibi) it will be even more interesting to see what it does.
What problems are you experiencing? Please submit an issue on Github and I will look into it.