To Make Streets Safe, Make Them Dangerous
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Mondermans ideas are only implemented in a very limited part of the Netherlands: only in one of the 12 provinces, and only in about hundred locations. And this is one of the least inhabited provinces..
So, the fact that the Netherlands has a 60% lower fatality rate can absolutely not be attributed to just his work.
In my personal view the real causes are:
- mandatory traffic lessons in elementary school
- standards for drivers licenses are much higher
- kids must be 18 to get a license
- less big cars
- smart road design, more lighting, better road quality
- narrower roads with more variety make drivers more careful, especially wrt bikers
- slower traffic must keep right on highways
- maximum speed for trucks is 15mph lower than other cars
- much attention to traffic safety everywhere
- stricter traffic laws and enforcement
So even though Monderman was on to something, many more things are needed, to keep the stupid and irresponsible from ruining lives.And, naturally, I will never understand why people are allowed to operate 2 tonne death machines before they are allowed to look at tits.
[1] the speed limit was 35mph, in the Alps we'd have the speed limit set at 55mph and the road would be about half the width with cliffs on each side right next to the road (no shoulder, just railings or even just stone pillars every few meters). For example: http://irena.blog.siol.net/files/2009/02/cesta.jpg
Except for the being allowed to drive before being allowed to see tits thing. This doesn't change that.
- Black & White is an enforced regulation.
- Red is a vehicle collision hazard.
- Yellow is a single-vehicle hazard.
- Green is city and town locations/distances.
- Brown is national landmarks, parks, etc.
- Blue is all other information.
A few geographical signs, like city limits and bridge names, are also sometimes white but the text is much, much smaller. If it's important, you can read it from far away.
just beware CA has am absolute limit of 65 (unless marked up to 70) above which any speed is considered a priori unsafe, which means you can be cited regardless of road conditions.
And beware you can always be cited for unsafe speed (as determined by the cop) regardless of the marked limit and whether you were under it or not.
In my experience that means you won't be cited unless you are doing something truly outrageous compared to the indicated limit or conditions (eg 60 in a rainstorm at night around a turn with an advised speed of 35, >78ish, etc., 65 on a freeway in a blizzard), or weaving out of your lane, or in a speed trap at the edge of a small town.
We also have one way systems to steer this flow of 'traffic' around so that it 'flows'. This means that even more traffic is generated. People just drive round and round. The distance seems absurd if you cycle and obey the signs yet motorists just go with it. It might be much better if we thought again about that and allowed for natural congestion.
I could build a spare room in the street, it would not take long though for the council to tear down that extra bedroom, studio or whatever it was that I built. Yet I could buy a £200 car, pay a similar sum in tax and park right outside my door to leave the £200 heap there in perpetuity just so long as I paid the tax, which is a fraction of a month's rent for a room.
Why do we have it so motorists have a god given right to park on the streets? We need to think whether we need our streets walled in by tin boxes. Fixing this is easy, we make it so that you cannot park within a distance of a junction, whether that be a junction on to a big road or a side street. Then we increase that distance year by year. In so doing we remove the tin boxes and those looking for that elusive parking space. We could then get back to natural streets where you can drive/ride/walk safely.
I suppose it depends on how you view a street scene. A small shed is, for me, considerably less intrusive than a parked car. And yet the residential streets of Withdean are full of cars. But that’s seen as normal. Bike stores are not.
More anomalous still is the fact that if you have a sufficiently big front garden and don’t live in a conservation area you can, in most circumstances, turn that garden into a driveway to leave your car, without the need for without planning permission. There are conditions on using water-permeable materials to avoid cumulative flood risks, but it’s fairly straightforward.
I don’t know about you, but when if comes to local impact I’d say a driveway containing a Humvee (or even something smaller) might be slightly more significant than a discreet bike shed.
[1] http://www.theguardian.com/environment/bike-blog/2014/aug/01...
Meanwhile, I look out my window as I type this and see the suburban road adjacent to my group of homes being resurfaced. It's a beautiful expanse of asphalt they're laying down. It's smooooove, and fast. The neighborhood toddlers want to cross that road, and parents have trouble explaining to them that this road in sight of their homes is just too dangerous. We live in a town renowned for its planning and quality of life.
I don't really have a point, but something is obviously amiss.
It has to be said that I am uniquely referring to cities like SF known for their less than splendid sidewalk conditions. I am discounting the fact that SF is quite hilly and thus not very conducive for walking, unlike other flatter cities.
SF is notorious for its grubby, thrash-discharged, excrement-laden and generally deplorable sidewalks.
Just this week :
http://sfist.com/attachments/SFist_Jay/poop-map.jpg [1]
Anyone familiar with SF knows that whether you are on the sidewalks abutting the San Francisco Museum and Historical Society and right next to an upscale mall or in seedier parts of Inner/Outer Mission, you can never take a pleasant walk for granted.
Prominent sidewalks are openly defecated on.
Casual violence of vagrants and the professionally-homeless is quite common.
Entire sections of neighborhoods are poorly-lit, with dodgy surfaces to boot.
All this not even accounting for the unenthusiastically enforced sit-lie ordinances [2], a thriving homeless industrial complex supported by the city's SROs and rising crime in parts of the city [3]
This irks even otherwise civic minded, forward-thinking residents who have all but given up on the city's frowziness and its celebration of the unhygienic and unsanitary.
I think there is a strong Well that is SF for you. If you don't like it, go live in Marin ethos prevalent here (and in other cities like SF). And that is not one bit helpful.
[1] http://sfist.com/2014/09/03/photo_du_jour_poop_map.php
[2] http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Sit-lie-law-primarily-enf...
[3] http://www.sfgate.com/default/article/Duboce-Triangle-neighb...
edit:rewording
The real issue with SF sidewalks is that they are made with those cement slabs and thus have giant cracks that make it extremely unpleasant to longboard.
There's many very valid uses for cars, but most people shouldn't need to use them every day and we should be building cities and towns designed such that you rarely if ever need to use a car.
I'm honestly curious what sorts of "pedestrian accidents" people have seen in NYC?
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| | |Edit: Most of the close calls were straight on, no turn. Some son-of-a-bee-biscuit suddenly decides he needs to stop his car right in front of you for some important business, you end up in the middle of an intersection. In your eagerness to get you and your family out of harm's way, you inch around the car in front, and the pedestrian pops out of nowhere. They thought you weren't moving when suddenly you realize you need to get the heck out of the middle of Madison Ave and accelerate like a mofo so you don't get rear-ended by that bus.
I suspect it's only a small part of the big picture why driving in NYC is categorically different than suburbs.
Pedestrians do regularly walk out in front of traffic against the light. Cars, especially taxis, will speed up to run yellow/red lights, even when there are crowds of pedestrians at the corner spilling onto the streets. Bikes often run lights and ride against traffic. Cars and pedestrians block bike lanes constantly.
It's remarkable so few accidents happen, really. I think part of it is, although NYC drivers can be annoying and aggressive, they are also skilled and attentive.
Additionally, the shoulders are always packed with parked and stopped cars, and cars or trucks are always stopping in travel lanes because there's no room on the shoulder and they have to stop to drop off or pick up. It's amazingly frustrating. It leads to the perplexing saying "no one has a car, the roads are too crowded" or something like that.
It's also true that many NYC pedestrians tend to cut across streets whenever they perceive an opening.
I cross against lights quite regularly, if I can see that it is safe. Some people drop the condition.
As anyone who has experienced the traffic in Beijing probably knows, having a mix of pedestrians, cars, bicycles, and other vehicles of various construction in the same space is not efficient nor particularly safe at all.
It's food for thought.
Hmm, well, requiring cars to give way means that they're less likely to kill someone. Which is kind of the point, outweighs slowing cars down a smidgen. Although pedestrians have right of way it's only an insane pedestrian who would rely on that to stay safe: whether they have right of way or not, pedestrians need to be fully aware of what cars are doing.
Rather, they attach an accurate price, forcing drivers to pay some of the costs that they generally impose on the public. I mean, the amount of space required per driver is wildly disproportionate with the demand on a public resource that every other form of transportation requires. Then there are the environmental costs, which include both noise and pollution. Again, these are way out of proportion in terms of the number of drivers vs. non drivers. They also do damage to commerce, in that pedestrian friendly zones are far more amenable to shopping, dining, etc. than streets that give preference to the needs of drivers. And of course, cars are basically lethal, whereas pedestrians, bikes, and even busses (especially when they have their own lanes) generally aren't.
Basically, cars are a bad deal for cities, and the 21st Century is going to see a sharp and concerted effort to push them out. Letting them in was a mistake. It's time to undo that error.
Also,cars are an important part of most economies, but less so in bigger cities - and it points to the fact that a)they weren't always so and b) might not always need to be, maybe there's a better way, which is what some posters are suggesting. If you Remove the necessity of a car for some people, and make alternatives better, then there are probably a lot of benefits (pollution, construction costs, congestion, safety) to it. But no one (or very few, I guess, since this is HN and lots of opinions) is suggesting arbitrarily and unilaterally getting rid of cars.
This is free advice, so you can take it for what it's worth, but if you've ever found yourself suffering from a limited amount of trust or respect from others, consider that it may be due to your apparently limited respect for the truth. Or basic English.
Extra fees for congestion make sense, because the land that roads and parking use in the middle of cities is much more valuable than the land in suburban or rural areas. Gas taxes don't account for that difference. They treat every mile the same (or similarly), even when the cost of that infrastructure differs drastically.
In any case, this is not about "getting rid of cars", so it's dishonest of you to reframe the argument in those terms. As very specifically noted, this is about sharply limiting to getting rid of cars in dense urban cores. Big, big difference.
We called it "consultant frogger" whenever we tried to cross the street. (Thane Belapur, if you're familiar with the area)
There are lots of old videos of people trying to cross busy roads in the early-to-mid 1900s and having difficulty doing so safely.
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/08/09/gov-cuomo-signs-bill-...
It's fascinating to look at some 3rd world locations, where there are far fewer rules, and many modes of transport sharing the same street.
This YouTube video really drives the point home. Scooters, walkers (some heavy laden), and cars all chaotically (at first glance) going every direction on a piece of asphalt.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eC4BN9kInXg
As Richard Fernandez says, look closer ... watch a few times ... and a few basic rules pop out.
http://fallbackbelmont.blogspot.com/2006/12/into-heart-of-ch...
As the veteran of many a Third World traffic jam, I think the vehicular flow situation is a little more complex than Economics with a Face suggests. But he may be correct in thinking that under certain circumstances and in particular cultures fewer rules or perhaps the appropriate rules make more sense than the overly regulated forms the First World is used to.
It reminds me of that old Artificial Life program "Boids", which implemented just 3 very basic rules, and from this produced very organic flocking and obstacle-avoidance behaviors.
We have to be very careful in interpreting the outcomes of experimental applications of naked streets (or other large interventions). Firstly, because of a Hawthorne effect - when a road is changed, drivers become more cautious because it's different, so safety improves, whether or not the change itself improves safety. Secondly, because it's a change that is very context-specific; naked streets seem to work well if the motor traffic level is intrinsically (or is engineered to be) low, but that doesn't mean they're a good way to handle a flow at a higher level.
The English example you may be thinking of was Exhibition Road, in Kensington, London. This rather long blog post takes a good look at it:
http://aseasyasridingabike.wordpress.com/2013/01/21/lessons-...
I have no stats about accident rates, but it seemed that somehow everyone manages to make it "work out".
I don't think this was due to any vision about how to make roads safe ... it was just ad-hoc city planning.
Anyway, I agree with your point. And those does the NYT: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/10/opinion/sunday/is-it-ok-to...
A cab driver makes $0.50 per 1/5 of a mile if going over 12 mph or $0.50 per minute if going under 12 mph. The average speed of a taxi hovers around 13 mph[1], but I bet most cab drivers think its higher, meaning they think they make more by getting to their destination quickly (e.g., if they think they average 15 mph, they think they're making $37.50/hour instead of $30 using the timed rate). Suppose the slow-fare rate was raised to $1-$2? Would that help reduce cab-involved accidents (at the expense of longer cab rides)?
Further, introducing traffic signal patterns with dedicated turning periods would help a lot. Without fail, I get dirty looks daily from drivers turning onto a street I'm crossing because I'm not scampering out of their way, despite having the right of way (even still, more pedestrians were killed in 2010 when crossing with the signal than against it[2]). I've been fortunate to never been hit, but it is a significant problem.
[1]: http://iquantny.tumblr.com/post/93845043909/quantifying-the-...
[2]: http://www.villagevoice.com/2014-02-05/news/nyc-pedestrian-d...