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But then after 6 mo to a year, they start to fall apart, with (their many internal) joints not sealing, vacuum power dropping, motors failing eventually, etc., etc.
I don't think Dyson engineers understand nor design for long term durability.
We've switched to Miele vacuums and couldn't be happier.
Maybe I just got lucky, not sure, but I've been very happy with mine.
My mums second dyson is still going strong.
I keep hearing people claim they don't work well, I picked up my own because my friend said it worked like shit. I had a stray thread on the end of a matt and it stripped 3 rows of fibre before I got it shut off. The suction is incredible, I honestly just think people don't know how to vaccuum properly.
It's a bad deal for consumers.
Having said that, I was expecting wonders from it when I first got it, but the suction isn't as amazing as I thought it would be. I suspect it's just very good suction considering it's bagless. I'm tempted to switch to a Miele as well when my Dyson dies...which it seems to be taking its sweet time doing. But I suspect I will miss not having to pay for cyclical costs (i.e. bags).
I think you've just been unlucky. They have a 5 year warranty anyway for such an event.
To me Dyson designs novel items that kinda work but rarely quite live up to the hype.
At first I blew it off, but there are some carpets that will only honor their warranty if you use certain vacuums, so it seems like it might be a real issue.
Whenever I have predominantly hard flooring, the Dysons work without a fault.
Plush carpet? They're just not up to that task. You need something considerably more heavily built.
I was astonished when the vacuum became my favorite piece of tech in the whole house.
We have a roomba that works fine, but it's extremely hard to imagine that I won't buy this thing immediately.
EDIT: for the downvote mafia: I genuinely want to know. Not every short comment is a snark.
It's super light (a grown man can operate the vacuum and hold a beer with the same hand, while holding a baby with the other arm), and yet it is SUPER powerful (I just leave mine in MAX mode, which only lasts for 6 minutes between recharges -- but that's plenty).
It's extremely, unbelievably easy to clean/empty (just push one button while holding it over the trash bin) and also somehow doesn't accumulate film of disgusting 'dustbestos' like all other no-bag vacuums I've experienced... so it stays clean.
It seems to be extremely durable... having survived many combats and forced marches at the hands of my 2-year-old son.
It has an instant trigger, seems to go from of to full power in 10ms or less (I mean you can't detect it; squeeze the trigger in quick staccato bursts, and it's just all like VREEEEEEEEEEEER!!! VREER!! VREER!!)
Despite the light weight, it is extremely POWERFUL. Much better than the $600 tow-the-pod-around corded Hitachi we had before, at a fraction of the size, weight, and yet it doesn't even have a cord.
Um... I think that's all.
OH WAIT THERE'S MORE!!! I almost forgot the awesome wall mounted charger. Like an idiot, I didn't bother to screw the wall mount thing to the wall for the first few months. Finally, I did. Once you do that, any vacuum that isn't conveniently mounted on the wall is a ridiculous piece of shit. (Note that ours is mounted on the wall inside the kitchen closet; doesn't have to be shown off like some piece of very ugly art.) The wall mount makes it more convenient to access and replace than any vacuum I've had previously.
So what are the cons? For one, it looks ridiculous, like a space weapon from a $300-budget high school sci-fi movie. But hmm that's about it.
Love that thing.
EDIT: some of the downstream comments seem to be talking about some other model. (I think maybe 'upright vacuum' doesn't mean what I think it means.) The one I have is either this one or a very similar model: http://www.amazon.com/Dyson-DC35-Digital-Slim-cordless/dp/B0...
And that's arguable. It's also probably not as powerful as you think. You can't use the Dyson handheld for vacuum bags, but any "drag a pod" vacuum will probably do the job. I think the spinning bristles really help to pull things of the ground or out of carpet fibres.
That said, I too have the Dyson handheld and agree, one of the best appliances I own. I really like the soft brush in the extra attachment kit you can buy. Now I can dust and vacuum the dust up at the same time.
* Bin is too small - you have to empty it a few times per clean which kind of sucks (unless you clean every other day or something). It also means the dust sometimes gets stuck in the bin and you have to pull it out. * Bin opening mechanism is a big unreliable.
Battery life and suction are both plentiful. And the hassle of emptying the bin frequently is still miles less than the hassle of getting out and plugging in a corded vacuum.
There's zero commitment, and like you said, on MAX, it really does the job, there's rarely much I need to clean that will take longer than the charge, and if there is, I just split it up into two sessions.
He was not impressed with dysons: http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1pe2bd/iama_vacuum_rep...
I have to say in my experience, having had 2 dysons - they both broke within 2 years.
Of course the plural of anecdote is not data.
The only things that broke were simple to replace (and pretty cheap to be fair) parts like the hose which split because I over stretch it one too many times. Can't really fault it for that though.
I have had wood floors everywhere now so make do with a dirt cheap hoover but if I had carpets I would buy another Dyson without question. It did such a fantastic job and maintenance was as easy could be.
Just in the past couple of days he started a YouTube channel and posted his first video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEJSACjCL2g
a) they go wrong which happens very often with uprights from experience. The hose goes as does the roller belts and the motor. Also on multiple models, the clips on the can are so bad that the moment you detach it from the unit, it pours its suckings all over the floor again. All parts are expensive.
b) they suck the wallpaper off or the floor tiles up causing damage.
c) you do your back in hoovering with the damn things as they weigh so much.
Bought a Numatic Henry and have been happy ever since, and considerably better off.
If you want to be upset with someone/something it seems like you should be upset at whomever did the crappy WP job or yourself for pointing a vacuum at something you did not want sucked up.
My Dyson is the lightest upright I've ever owned. It's also far-more maneuverable requiring less lifting since it can usually navigate around furniture.
My only complaint is the angle of the hose when using the attachments. Since the hose comes straight-up, if I'm trying to clean something low, I find the angle to be awkward for that purpose, and it sometimes interrupts the air-flow to the hose. I'd prefer the hose come out at an angle, or perhaps pivot on a swivel as its used.
I did a spot as a cleaner a couple of decades back and that was the best way of tackling the problem.
It is literally as good as the day I got it, I recently had to "service" it (removing two foam filters with two clips and run them under the tap is hardly servicing) and that is the only time I've had to do anything to it in over a decade.
They cost more but are worth absolutely every penny, they also prove that a focus on quality, design and longevity can command a margin that customers will happily pay if you can get that message across.
When it dies I'll by another immediately.
My wife and I bought one about a year ago. It was great for a week, but now suction is average and we are constantly having to remove and clean various filters to get it to work well.
I suspect Dyson did use to focus on quality, design and longevity but that a few years ago they started selling quite average vacuums but still charging a premium for their "good name".
So… A device that’s remotely controllable (and updateable) from Dyson’s central server. With a built-in 360° camera.
I kid, but it does say "The Dyson Link app may not be available in all markets.", so I'm assuming that it will not require an internet connection to function properly.
Back in 2002, the "insect" AI was actually quite innovative, and necessary for the computing power available at the time, but it's not 2002 anymore.
The latest Robokings are much closer to the Dyson in terms of AI (possibly better as details on the Dyson are still a bit vague). For example, it will map out a route through multiple rooms. If it needs to recharge, it will return to its base station and pick up where it left off. Unlike the Roomba, it does not use a random pattern so it will generally achieve about 97% coverage, compared to about 75% coverage for Roomba. It will also do it in roughly half the time.
The Dyson will likely have better suction, but presumably it still won't be good enough to completely replace a standard vacuum, so that may not matter at all. I think the things that matter most in a robot vacuum are:
- Can it clean multiple rooms efficiently, recharge itself when necessary and pick up where it left off after emptying its dust compartment?
- How quickly can it do that?
- How much noise does it make when it's running?
- Will it avoid getting trapped on rugs, curtains, under couches, etc?
Ideally, it should empty its own dust compartment too. As far as I know, Karcher make the only robovac that does this and I'm not sure how it stacks up in other areas. Plus it is really, really expensive.
I have a hard time imagining how it can vacuum a whole house.
This is why: https://yadi.sk/i/W5YUMQq6b2aXi
Edit: Clicking the globe icon then changing country. Mine was stuck in Japanese.
My sister recently finished a MSc in Robotics and is looking for work in the UK for Dyson or a similar company. If anyone has worked in Dyson or a similar company (established or startup) and would be willing to discuss her options for applying in the industry and provide some guidance could you please e-mail me at hans@hans.is?
But since I'm convinced dyson vacuum user, I'd get it even if it's 15 cm.
It's quite narrow though, so I'm curious how it peforms between chair legs under the dining table - that's where the roomba is bad at.
I'm trying to imagine the Roomba height in relation to the couch and tables... Another inch or 2 might be a deal breaker for me.
Guess marketing didn't think "Reluctance motor" had quite the same ring, and I'd tend to agree.
As for Dysons, my parents are on their second one. The first one still mostly works, but a small clip in the back broke off. It will no longer stand up on its own. I have a small hand held one and it is really quite nice. They are definitely a bit fragile, but when they work they really work well.
A couple questions:
1. For the robotics people, is the "360° eye" camera an innovation, or is this already a standard component of robotic vision?
2. What's the next step for robotics in the house after vacuums?
In one giant category: cleaning. That includes dusting, cleaning walls and ceilings, cleaning showers and tubs and toilets, cleaning windows.
Cooking food. Starting initially from simple things, evolving to more elaborate combinations. Chef3000 can now cook over 500 things! Self-cleaning!
Mowing the grass. Some companies are already deep into trying to solve this of course.
A total laundry system (this is decades away from being practical, and may require the classic sci-fi robot that does everything). Give the system the clothing, it sorts and understands fabrics and colors, or can be trained to identify specific clothing, washes it, dries it, folds it.
We pay a cleaner mostly because the bathroom is little joy to clean.
I recall that Buckminster Fuller tried to build that sort of bathroom: the idea was that it'd be basically a one-piece metal thing with no seams or cracks for mold/dirt and all rounded corners, so one could just spray it down. I guess it didn't work for the same reason a lot of his ideas never got picked up.
I think it would be possible if the right suppliers set their minds to it. I guess it requires the spraying and drying technology and that won't exist until the bathroom hardware itself exists, and that won't change until the spraying/drying is an option.
2. I'd like something to put my dishes away and fold my laundry. That's a much bigger step though.
https://cmusv.adobeconnect.com/_a829716469/p17388090/?launch...
He gives examples of what the LIDAR sees, how the algorithms work, etc. in very clear yet technical knowledge.
I'm really not sure why robots aren't already vacuuming our floors, raking the leaves and mowing our lawns by now.
But it's a big step from vacuuming floors to mowing lawns with sharp blades.
I don't personally have a leaf problem, but I would very much like to see a clever window-washing robot. Could be -- would preferably be! -- very slow and small. Something that runs constantly and could go home and charge/clean itself.
A sibling bot could clean bathtubs and sinks (and I would love to see toilets added to that list, but that may be a bridge too far).
I think robot vacuums are pretty established, but fall short of constituting a 'revolution'.
My parents had one for about a year now. They use it to mow their huge garden. It has worked extremely well throughout this summer.
It got stuck maybe three or four times at the start of summer, when they were playing around with the boundaries to make sure it gets to as many places as possible and doesn’t push itself outside the boundaries because of some tight spot. It seems those problems are solved now. Maintenance is checking the blades every couple of weeks (and exchanging broken or dull ones once or twice a year) and brushing it off a bit.
These mowing robots have been around for decades now. You basically lay a cable (on the surface or slightly underground) all around your garden and big, permanent obstacles and set up a charging station.
Depending on the size of your garden the mower drives around several hours a day, several days a week. During this it is practically completely quiet. Whatever it cuts off it just leaves on the grass. Since it is permanently cutting that’s not an issue at all and not even noticeable.
It basically drives around randomly, but maybe has features like focusing on a certain area when it encounters especially thick grass somewhere. (I think newer ones have GPS, too, but this hasn’t really been necessary at all in my parent’s case.)
The mower will automatically shut down when it bumps into something (and it will try to find another way around it) and it will also stop when lifted up.
My parent’s robot always found back to its charging station on its own this summer, except those couple times it got stuck when they were still experimenting with boundaries. And that’s despite my parents having a quite complicated and large garden.
The result is a lawn that looks better than ever before (basically always like it was just mowed) and extremely even. Also, my parents can now focus on the gardening they actually enjoy (and they aren’t the youngest anymore, which is not ideal if you have to mow a huge garden manually).
I don’t think I would want this robot driving around with a toddler on the lawn, but that’s about it.
This problem is solved and robots do an excellent job.
(Here is the brand of robot my parents use: http://www.husqvarna.com/us/products/robotic-mowers/husqvarn... There are many others.)
A robo-mower would have indeed made a better housewarming gift for my sister than the cordless Dyson I bought her (same as mine)... although it would have set me back $2,300 instead of $300.
Still, very cool.
OK floors and lawns, ✓ DONE! Next somebody please point me to the already-existing window-washing robot.
Sure, it is slow, but eight or so hours of work time five days a week will get your lawn mowed. And, again, since it’s silent it’s not really an issue that it’s driving around. (But maybe don’t get one if you have pets or toddlers.)
Not all gardens are ideal. Many inclines lead to problems, as do thin connecting paths between different parts of the garden. But if your garden is quite straightforward (or even quite a bit more complicated then that) it’s not an issue.
Digging in the boundary cable is quite a bit of work (as you can imagine) and fiddling with it to make it all work perfectly, too, but I think my parents still spent less time taking care of the lawn last summer when they set it up than when they still had to mow. (Also, only the places where my parents were overly ambitious and wanted it to do things not recommended in the manual were there actual issues.)
If you have lawn going right up to some sort of wall or fence you will be left with a thin stripe of unmowed grass. My parents just quickly mow that every couple weeks, it’s not a big deal.
This tech has been around for decades, so it’s pretty proven. Besides my parents I know a couple other people who use it.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roomba
Here's a list of the number of households to illustrate the the market is still young.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_o...
Obvious flaws (need two people to set it up - one inside and one out) but might work.
How else could you do it? Couldn't trust suction caps on a dirty surface.
I think about this every time I mow my lawn. I had this crazy vision:
Take a flatbed trailer and hook up "charging pods".
Invest in some robot lawn mowers. This would be fun as they'll probably need to be built yourself. They could have a deck size of whatever (12" ?) with big batteries, solar collectors (maybe), wireless communications, some kind of camera or a way to "see" obstacles.
Deploy multiple ones at a single site... maybe 4 on a .25 acre lot?
Have them all communicate with relative proficiency in determining who should mow where and what and for how long.
Once they are all done, they go back to the trailer and into their pod where they will charge until the next site.
Then go from site to site like any other lawn care specialist.
On each location you would have a couple human operators (who will also be driving the trailers). These people will operate the more delicate things like trimming. They will also provide a human element for analyzing the environment. Is there a dog outside? Maybe the operator has a smart phone and "tags" that object which gets transferred to the mowers and they know to avoid it.
If you could get the price down far enough it might be able to compete in a number of markets.
It's going to have be really cheap to compete with minimum wage labour. Especially since minimum wage labour is discarded when it goes wrong whereas your expensive robots will need expensive servicing.
Personally, I don't mind mowing the lawn. Yard work is my "me time" to tune out the world and relieve some stress.
No one cares that you enjoying mowing your lawn. It's irrelevant to the conversation.
Robot floor cleaners have existed for some time and are probably one of the more common and visible consumer applications of robotics, the latter two are more complex because the outdoors environment is less predictable.
Eh, they are? It's not like this is the first of its kind. As far as I can see its claim to fame is a more powerful suction device, the other features already exist in other products.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2743185/Dyson...
I hate the "Oh, why don't we use slightly complex words to make the consumers feel impressed" marketing practice. Like when shampoo ads use phrases like "advanced [made-up-word] technology."
Edit: That was a bit grumpier than it should have been. I haven't had coffee yet.
So on one hand you have people complaining about 'random movements', and you have an automated vac which doesn't do that. How do you communicate this? The feature is clearly important enough for them to put it in the name. It's not called Dyson TankTrack or Dyson DoubleBristle, it's called Dyson 360 Eye.
So they could say: "doesn't move randomly" but that's probably not true, and doesn't sound any good. Quite likely it falls back to random wandering to re-locate from a kidnaped-robot situation. Besides negative statements ought to be avoided because they focus the costumer on what you don't have, instead of what you have. (at least so it goes the marketing wisdom)
They could also just say: "does SLAM (Simultaneous Localization and Mapping)" would be accurate, and would be totally cryptic for anyone who is not in the know.
Of course I haven't tested the robot, but if it does what they imply, then the consumer shouldn't feel impressed because of the complex words. They should feel impressed because this is impressive. Does it vacuum better? Who knows, we will see.
The roombas do, as far as I know, mostly wander randomly. Not only (they'll also follow walls and stuff), but they most definitely don't map a room plan which they methodically go through, they don't have the sensors to.
There are other vacuums with room mapping (samsung's navibot), I'm not aware that they do better than roombas in the long run (although they probably pass over each spot at least once per session, which roombas don't necessarily do)
This is a site anti-pattern (at least at desktop resolution). The site is only readable when I shrink the browser down until that terrible animated nonsense goes away.
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<source src="/video/dyson.mp4" type="video/mp4">
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<source src="/video/dyson.webm" type="video/webm">
</video>
The site: http://download.kone.com/ultrarope/index.htm
The code: https://github.com/kontur/jquery.video-frame-animation
https://ihatetomatoes.net/apple-mac-pro-page-deconstructed/
Personally, I hate this kind of design as it breaks the scroll but it's interesting to see how it works none-the-less
Is that an obvious flaw, or am i mistaken?
I've owned a few Dyson products - totally horrid. Never again. The only positive think I can say is that their service department sends out parts quickly.
http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/13087/what-is...
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reluctance_motor
The UK regulator of advertising lists a few upheld complaints, and some informally resolved complaints against Dyson.
http://www.asa.org.uk/Rulings/Adjudications.aspx?SearchTerms...
Scrolling takes many seconds to just show the next page, with no indication that anything is happening. Just blank blackness.
Then each page requires you to hunt and click little circles with pluses in them, just to show a paragraph or two of copy.
Would it have killed them to just present all the text at once? Perhaps use tabs or some other "normal" solution to the problem of wanting to talk about different aspects of a product? This whole "scroll to begin" paradigm is so annoying, I think the fact that they felt they had to include that little helper just to tell people how to get to the content is an indication that perhaps a better design exists.
Still, I'm glad that there's a robotic vacuum cleaner with better optical bandwidth than humans. I'm sure that's a major selling point in (robotic) vacuums.
(Also, this is a re-post of https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8267476).
Awful, awful construction of this page.
What system are you using?
PS: Ah, I just noticed that this changes mode when the browser window reaches a certain width. Below that it's quite comfortable to use.
Edit: And if you do go over the same spot twice, you should be able to detect that with your navigation system so that you can turn the brushes and suction off or something.