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(disclaimer: not meaning to start any kind of flame-war)

To be honest, the one I perceive (as a straight, white, middle-class, educated male) larger is the misandristic one. As a person who strives to be good and helpful to every human being equally, regardless of race, gender, orientation or whatever, I get everyday on the Internet and I get flooded by articles and comments saying that everything I do or think is misogynistic, wrong and overprivileged.

Honestly, I think that (and I never thought I'll say something like that ever) UrbanDictionary's definition of "social justice" sums it up perfectly:

Promoting tolerance, freedom, and equality for all people regardless of race, sex, orientation, national origin, handicap, etc... except for white, straight, cisgendered males. Fuck those guys, they're overprivileged no matter what. "In the name of social justice, check your privilege."

( http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=social+justic... )

I'm not saying the world is fair to women or minorities, it's sure as hell not. But SJWs are overplaying it by many orders of magnitude.

In my opinion, the reason this leak contains only women celebrities has nothing to do with misogyny, and everything to do with the reason why celebrity magazines are focused on women-celebrities, why most porn is targeting males, why most women dress in various cuts and colours while for a man just a suit will do, etc. Not saying it's good or bad, it's just how the culture evolved - but the point is, there's nothing new/important to see here.

Also, to risk being accused of victim blaiming, et al., when you become a celebrity - be it an actor, a model or a politician, you implicitly accept that all your life becomes a public matter and is subject to scrutiny by random actors. And to be honest, I think that those celebrities actually would agree with me on that. See, it's not the victims that are making a big scandal out of this leak, it's the media and the general public, who are doing it "in their defense".

"the reason this leak contains only women celebrities has nothing to do with misogyny" ... "Not saying it's good or bad, it's just how the culture evolved"

I don't know what you've seen on your own facebook feed, but the articles I've seen are among other things pointing out that the leaks are part of a cultural trend in which women's bodies in particular are singled out for sexualization and commodification in a way that men's are not.

This is precisely misogyny.

Regardless of the truth or falsehood of what you're saying, no good (for you or anyone else) will come of making this one of your personal crusades, which it sounds like it is. There are far nobler causes than standing up to SJWs you feel have crossed some line of hypocrisy, and you are much more likely to be a force for harm than good in the world as a result.

You're right; therefore I try to limit my "crusading" to occasional venting out on social networks. As you said, there are far nobler causes to care about, with better ROI on effort.

SJWs are not beyond criticism, nor should they be:

http://studentaffairsfeature.com/ten-counterproductive-behav...

> To be honest, the one I perceive (as a straight, white, middle-class, educated male) larger is the misandristic one

This reminds me of a line I heard on Futurama once: "This is the worst kind of discrimination — the kind against me!"

>In my opinion, the reason this leak contains only women celebrities has nothing to do with misogyny...

I'd say the main reason the leaks are all women is that hackers are predominately heterosexual men.

> To be honest, the one I perceive (as a straight, white, middle-class, educated male) larger is the misandristic one. As a person who strives to be good and helpful to every human being equally, regardless of race, gender, orientation or whatever, I get everyday on the Internet and I get flooded by articles and comments saying that everything I do or think is misogynistic, wrong and overprivileged.

This is just another not-all-men complaint. Certainly if you are a man who doesn't do the things someone is complaining about, then you have nothing to worry about. Unless, of course, the things you are doing on the internet are wrong and misogynistic, in which case people are sending you articles and comments for a reason.

> Unless, of course, the things you are doing on the internet are wrong and misogynistic, in which case people are sending you articles and comments for a reason.

Fortunately no one sends me anything like that, they just end up in my news feed as I have many friends involved in feminism/minority movements, and because local media loves to spin everything as gender issues.

> Certainly if you are a man who doesn't do the things someone is complaining about, then you have nothing to worry about.

Well, even if one has nothing to worry about personally, it's just tiring and demotivating to see all those broad accusations all the time. sigh

> Well, even if one has nothing to worry about personally, it's just tiring and demotivating to see all those broad accusations all the time. sigh

You do realize that when people talk about men as a class, that isn't the same thing as a personal accusation, right?

Yikes! I don't think that argument would work for any other "class" of people.

Yes, yes it is. Same as if someone referred to all women as a class. It's not fair to generalize about all women. It's not fair to generalize about all men. If you refer to men as a class, you're inherently being just as unfair as if you do the same to women.

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