> The current level of discussion is unworthy of us.

I'm not usually one to be a buzzkill, but I should point out that Hacker News is largely filled with startup coders and small business owners, not trained academics - you can't set your standards too high for rational debate, especially considering the level of religious wars coders start over trivialities like text editor choice, operating system or programming languages (check out any thread that mentions PHP for a great example of group-think flaming).