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Could people stop spamming Sublime Text beta releases every few hours? Previous submissions:

- 3 hours ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8241434

- 2 days ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8227111

- 3 days ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8226102

- 3 days ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8226133

Well, people get excited after some months of stalled development.

Man I would hate to be the ST devs. Everyone keeps calling it stalled, dead, etc. Not sure what release speed would make the difference to commenters here.

Are there lots of unfixed bugs or something? I am just missing the source of this consensus.

I'm not one of those complaining about the "lack" of updates but:

- a lot of SublimeText users came from TextMate because TextMate stopped being developed actively

- the SublimeText developer was extremely active and then new developments just suddenly stopped so some users might feel like TextMate happening all over again

Maybe people are having issues with the current SublimeText, I wouldn't know, I'm a perfectly happy paying customer.

How can SublimeText use TextMate's code if TextMate's code is GPLv3?

So far as I know, it doesn't. What makes you think it does (or makes you think someone else thinks it does)?

I misread users as code. This is what I get for commenting before finishing my coffee.

Latest official release is 2.0.2, released 8 July 2013. 2.0.1 was released 14 July 2012.

3.x has been in beta since 29 January 2013 without a non-beta release.

I think this is what signals stalling for many users.

Yes, the assumption is that most of the users are using 3.x anyways because it's stable enough. BUT the official messaging promoting 2.0.2 as the "current release" is what shows that the release train is off the track.

There was no word from the "company" since they stopped doing releases so this is considered stalled and this was the major problem specially when you invest your money into something that it is suppose to be released.

This is not OSS software, people pay for the product.

> - 2 days ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8227111

> - 3 days ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8226102

> - 3 days ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8226133

These were not betas.

Think that's bad, you should see when a new Apple thing comes out.

Some thing that gets the whole industry excited and usually sells in the tens of millions of units?

Yeah, we should stop discussing those...

... of course we shouldn't discuss such things here. Here's the quote about Off-topic submissions from HN guidelines:

> If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic.

Keyword being "probably" here, it's on the news, but it also has a big impact on tech and even on startups, so it may very well be worth discussing.

The submission guidelines also state:

"Anything that good hackers would find interesting. That includes more than hacking and startups."

In other words, if it gets up-voted here hackers probably find it interesting and it's a useful post. Considering the discussion generated when Apple releases a new product and it's relevance to hackers (e.g. a new version of iOS means a new SDK + many new API's for hackers) those posts seem relevant.

Keyword: probably. Also, "TV news". The rule is supposed to weed-out regular news stuff (from the Kardasians to what Obama said).

It obviously doesn't rule out tech related news, e.g Facebook buying Whatsapp for 16 billion would surely have made TV news, but it's obviously a topic of interest for here too.

It took about eight months to get those bugs fixed. That's not the best thing. Other than that, I am still using it as main editor.

But half of the internet was saying that it is dead. I was using ST2 till a month back, switched and I liked it immediately. They're already working on roadmap for 4, hopefully this will reach stable soon.

Yeah, I am hoping that an alternative will take ST crown. It really does not have the level of support it deserves. Lime looks like a good contender http://limetext.org/

If we're going to have to play musical editors every year or so, it sure would be nice if they supported a common internal API or something. I'm sure I'm asking more than I'll get, here.

I haven't wanted to use an IDE since the 1990s but I really like the thicket of customized tools I end up with, from combining editor plugins with build scripts. It SUCKS to lose that integration by switching editors.

Well, some editors are happily chugging along since the 80s and are still actively worked on.

Well sublime text supports textmate snippets, and so does lime... It's a start.

atom.io

meh. irresponsive one.

Now that they use a reasonable language, I expect them to provide one killer feature of UltraEdit:

Opening really big, GB sized files, without thrashing.

Why does what language they write it in affect that? There are apps written in C/C++/Obj-C that can efficiently open/mmap extremely large files. Unless you're talking about more high-level languages possibly having an issue?

Did those bugs affect you?

On OS X, using ST3 from the first alphas, never had any issue with any bug (except a small rare display glitch on some folder reloading, which could be due to my third party theme).

Is anyone else seeing a strange issue on Linux where the sidebar doesn't toggle open/close folders correctly?

The folder icon toggles between open and closed, however the files inside are not displayed. I can still open files via the command palatte, but I'd like to be able to browse via the sidebar too...

Update: My desktop environment is xubuntu 14.04.

> Is anyone else seeing a strange issue on Linux where the sidebar doesn't toggle open/close folders correctly?

Linux doesn't have sidebars, desktop environments do. Which desktop environment are you describing?

Good point, I'm using xubuntu 14.04.

Actually I don't think the sidebar/file manager in question is provided by the desktop environment, it is rendered by Sublime Text itself.

> Linux doesn't have sidebars, desktop environments do.

No, either the GUI toolkit that ST3 uses, or ST3 itself, renders the sidebar. What desktop environment you're using has nothing to do with it - you can run Qt apps on GNOME without them somehow magically turning into GTK apps.

>> Linux doesn't have sidebars, desktop environments do.

> No, either the GUI toolkit that ST3 uses, or ST3 itself, renders the sidebar.

Translation: yes.

> What desktop toolkit you're using ...

Please locate where I said "desktop toolkit".

Translation: you didn't understand what he said, but still couldn't refrain from a snarky reply.

Sublime renders the sidebar itself, and doesn't rely on whatever UI toolkit the user has installed

> Translation: you didn't understand what he said ...

I understood him perfectly. He said, "Is anyone else seeing a strange issue on Linux where the sidebar doesn't toggle open/close folders correctly?" That's not Linux, and because there's more than one desktop environment in common use, the OP needed to identify what he was referring to. He speaks as though everyone who runs Linux uses the same desktop environment.

> and doesn't rely on whatever UI toolkit the user has installed

Locate my use of the word "toolkit". I said "desktop environment". Linux is not a desktop environment -- that's something that, among other properties, has sidebars.

As pertains to Linux desktops, a "desktop environment" is a loose term for something like Xfce, KDE, or GNOME, and typically provides things like taskbars, application launch menus, desktop icons, and to a greater or lesser extent, a suite of interoperating applications.

Which DE a user is currently running is irrelevant to the rendering of Sublime Text's sidebar. The Sublime Text process is sending commands directly to the X server. The DE is not involved.

>I understood him perfectly. He said, "Is anyone else seeing a strange issue on Linux where the sidebar doesn't toggle open/close folders correctly?" That's not Linux.

1) Nope. That's Linux (in that he refers to the Linux version of ST3, running on Linux).

>and because there's more than one desktop environment in common use, the OP needed to identify what he was referring to.

2) Nope again. The desktop environment doesn't have anything to do with ST's sidebars.

It's all about the GUI toolkit ST uses, and the bug would be there whether the user used Gnome, GTK, fwvm, Englightnment, or whatever.

So, even if ST used, say, GTK for it's graphics, your answer would be wrong, because the toolkit a program uses has nothing to do with the user's "desktop environment". A user can run Gimp under KDE for example.

But you're doubly wrong, because ST doesn't even use a toolkit associated with a desktop environment in the first place, but instead uses it's own GUI code: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2822114

Sorry. Mistype. What desktop environment you're running has absolutely nothing to do with the widgets that ST3 uses.

Yeah, I had that problem as well. I solved it by removing .config/sublime-text-3/Local/Session.sublime_session

WARNING: this will clear some history, e.g. the list of recently opened projects!

This solved it, thank you!

On Elementary(Ubuntu 12.04 based), this happens due to file permissions. If you assign correct permissions (if you're doing web development, this may happen due to files being owned by some other user/group, happened this morning!

Somewhat unrelated: My least favorite part of Sublime is the logo, so I made a new version: https://www.dropbox.com/s/7zys0368ddwui8c/st_logo_redesign.p...

Maybe I just dislike change, but the new icons in the sidebar are wasted space in my opinion.

How do I stop this with the new version: http://screencast.com/t/OeMISqW05aYj I was hoping there was a setting. I'm using phoenix theme.

Atom

So a slower non-native editor with even less features and adoption, that is also Mac only?

Sure, sounds like a good deal compared to ST.

Not disagreeing with your other points, but these days there is a Windows binary (https://atom.io/faq), too. On Linux you can build from source.

wow, that's something new

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