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60 bucks is less than an hour's pay for many developers. We're talking about a tool that gets used for > 8hrs/day in many cases. Other industries would DREAM of having tools this cheap!

* edited to remove the word "most" which seems to be upsetting some people.

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> 60 bucks is less than an hour's pay for many/most developers

WHAT? Where?

from the top of my head:

UK, USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Netherlands, Germany, Austria, all of Scandinavia

I don't make 60 bucks an hour (not even 45 euros)..

Much sad :(

You may be confusing your salary with what your boss charges clients. Or, it may simply be that you are from somewhere where the economy is different.

I know the distinction between the two ;-)

While my boss charges something like EUR100 an hour, I make less than 25% of that (after taxes).

O.t.o.h.: The salary is quite competitive around here (41k EUR a year, 40hrs/wk, 25 days off)

From your profile it looks like you're in The Netherlands. 41k/year is acceptable but not considered competitive in my book.

Edit: Note that this 41k/year pretax salary in The Netherlands does not include the contributions your employer makes for you to your social security/pension/disability insurance, etc. That being said, even after all those it's not yet near 60 bucks an hour.

Exactly, I cost my employer approximately double of that. And you're right about it not being industry competitive; I should have been more specific about regionality (i.e. I choose to not work in Amsterdam where I can 'easily' make double but which will cost me around 2,5hrs of travel a day while I can walk to work in 5 minutes now).

Same here. I'm a web developer in the US and I make $17 an hour... and that's at a major, international corporation. I think you and I are being shorted.

Big time, but it also depends on the area of the country you live in. Pay in the midwest is a lot lower for example, but the cost of living is a lot lower as well, whereas in Silicon Valley, it is not unheard of for people to make close to $100/hour (although that is somewhat rarer).

Even in the midwest, though, $17/hour (about $35,000/yr) is WAY low. Most devs in the midwest START at about 50,000 - 60,000 for entry-level.

$100/hr comes out to about $200k/yr. Only the developers at the top echelon make that kind of money.

For reference, that's considerably less than the inflation-adjusted starting pay (roughly $22 USD now) at my first software job in 1996 doing QA work.

That's insane. I made more than that as an intern in college writing code. We paid our current interns more than that the last time I checked. I don't know what your background is, but get your LinkedIn profile polished and you should be getting multiple recruiter emails a week inviting you to interview. That's where the market is right now.

Just a funny note, those values ($60 and 45 EUR) are almost exactly the same, to the .1. I don't know if you meant for that.

Yeah, it's the same...

https://www.google.nl/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&es...

In NYC, senior devs can charge 2x that. I assume silicon valley is the same way.

Which is $240k a year which puts you in the top 4% of earners nationwide. Why on earth you would pay a programmer $240k a year when you can probably get the same thing outsourced for $40k/year.

Because you can't reliably get the same thing outsourced for $40k/year.

Outsourced projects have a strong tendency to either completely go down in flames, or end up being rewritten (if you're smart about it) or "fixed" (if you're stupid about it and want to spend ten times as much) by the guys making $240k.

Yes he might target developers who make an everyday use of it, I just use a C++ IDE. I still don't understand what are those features though. Isn't it just good for web/python development ?

No, I use it for C++ development as well as Python and Ruby and I think it's excellent. If I'm using something like Qt or Obj-C I use something with an IDE (mostly for the UI tools), but for everything else it's excellent.

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