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34 pointsjamessouth13 comments

Whenever I see frameworks like this I immediately try and work out whether it uses mixins or classes to achieve layout.

I have it ingrained in me that css identifiers (classes/ids) should be semantic to the data and not the visual side.

I know this isn't a big factor for some people, and on that front it looks super and design philosophy is very cool (lightweight is great!).

I also agree that HTML classes and ids should describe the content and CSS mixins should be used to connect the right style to each HTML id.

At first it seemed to me that Responsive did not use mixings, but this is not completely true. The utilities are all mixings but the partials are fixed instantiation of mixins (`.row { @extend .clearfix; }`).

In my perfect world it `.row` would be `.row { @extend row; }`, so I can be able to avoid using the "row" class altogether and do things like `#definitions > p { @extend row }`.

But once the .row class is defined, you can do @extend .row in sass and it will do what you want...

I'm totally with you on this - I hate seeing column/row references etc in CSS identifiers. With the ease of use of Less/SASS etc, there's no reason not to have the grid rules in a mixin and reference those from semantic identifiers.

We do it this way, it was a piece of cake to set up the initial mixins and we haven't had to think about them since. Just reference something like .column(3) and bam, that element spans 3 columns.

That aside, this looks like a nice alternative to Bootstrap/Foundation.

I struggle with this constantly. I was a Bourbon Neat[0] (grid via mixins) user for a while, but lately I've really enjoyed the PureCSS[1] grid which uses classes. Mixins feel more "correct" but classes are just so darn easy.

0 - http://neat.bourbon.io/

1 - http://purecss.io/

I like the look of this and it's more what I'd be looking from in a css framework than Bootstrap or Foundation, which I feel I can never use in a project because most(all) of the projects I work on don't look like Bootstrap.

This looks like a great starting point. It's a bit like Normalize on steroids.

Can you please explain how it differs from skeleton ? Would be helpful in choosing for new projects.

I was under the impression that skeleton is no longer actively developed? Looks like the last commit on their github repo is from 2012.

Agree, however haven't found any problems with it. Isn't the point of minimalist framework is to avoid feature creeps with each iteration? Realistically it's a simple CSS framework.

But the browser landscape keeps changing?

but if you do grids, and they already work now, what do you add in the next iteration?

It's not like float: left and width: 30% will stop working in the foreseeable future.

Is it too much to ask for a responsive, js-less framework? Or am I just the only one who hates javascript?

I agree, but the problem is that JS is part of HTML5; so we're supposed to just deal with it. :(

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