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Stop with the conspiracy talk. Euromaidan was not orchestrated by the US. Ukraine, ever since its independence, has been divided by pro-Western and pro-Russian fantions. It is hardly surprising that protests in the West sprung up when Yanukovych delayed signing the Association Agreement.

Even if we forget about the US/Europe thing, remember that Yanukovych was previously ousted from power in another revolution 10 years before: the Orange Revolution.

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There is a leaked Nuland-Pyatt call [1] where State Department officials discuss that their Ukrainian puppets must not compromise [2].

Next, there is a speech where Nuland brags about "investing" $5 billion dollars in Ukraine to help it "achieve its European aspirations" [3]. And here is an article [4] about part of the money going to unknown recipients or political parties and NGOs.

[1] http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957

[2] http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-25896786

[3] http://www.state.gov/p/eur/rls/rm/2013/dec/218804.htm

[4] http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/07/us-foreign-aid-ukra...

It might not have been orchestrated but it was heavily funded by the US. I seem to remember watching a video where a Ukrainian girl tries to emotionally explain why people should support Maidan. The video had almost 10 million views. I did some researching and it turns out the video was funded by a US senator. Then there's Pierre Omidyar funding opposition groups through USAID and who knows what kind of other funding Maidan has received.

I don't think it's a conspiracy that US successfully managed to get Ukraine out of Russia's hands. A good thing, some might say.

Oh sure, the US tends to support groups that go with its agenda. It helps pro-democracy (and pro-capitalist, pro-free trade etc.) groups. I suppose they could've helped them, I have no idea how that'd work in practice though.

However, I think it's nonsense to suggest it's some massive US/EU plot to get revenge on Russia. It was spontaneous and reacting to something completely unrelated to Snowden or Syria.

Could you give the details of your research? Who is that senator and what proves the link?

Please, don't be so naive.

Given the scale and duration of Euromaidan the chances of it being a spontaneous phenomenon are zero. It had to be centrally coordinated and directed to last this long. It could've been coordinated by activists, but then somehow all their organizational skills disappeared right after Yanukovich was gone. Just look at the mess that followed. Someone else was directing.

Really? The massive Orange Revolution (which ousted the same man, Yanukovych) ten years earlier was not a US plot, yet nobody questions that. And that one was properly organised.

Ten years ago everyone thought the Orange and Rose revolutions were US plots, and Georgia even took US military aid to go to war with Russia.

The US was unquestionably involved in both, not sure why you think otherwise...

>ten years earlier was not a US plot, yet nobody questions that.

Are you joking? http://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/nov/26/ukraine.usa

> It could've been coordinated by activists, but then somehow all their organizational skills disappeared right after Yanukovich was gone. Just look at the mess that followed.

This is how virtually every revolution goes.

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