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I probably am dating myself here. But with cloud infrastructure what is the point of these configuration management tools? To get the configuration of an instance just fire up a copy of instance. To install something new, have a script install it on one manchine - monitor it, then start deploying it. You have versions of instances, backups, and exact copies. If you want to push, it is 10 lines of bash with a git pull and ssh public keys. AWS has an amazing API. I have seen guys try these 9k+ lines of complex syntax Salt systems only to break things, misconfigure them, and leave the system totally dependent on the author (aka the genius). We have ran systems of 100+ machines with a few lines of bash - so I am blown away at this new complexity. PLEASE help me out.

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This is also more of the 'containerized'/Docker-like infrastructure development workflow.

Tools like Ansible and SaltStack also provide pretty robust infrastructure orchestration/management tools that are conveniently provider-agnostic. I save a ton of money by spreading out servers for one particular service over a bunch of lower-cost providers (rather than AWS), and use Ansible to manage them all.

If you play in one particular cloud infrastructure, image-based configuration and provisioning may work fine, but if you need to support the movement of images from developer workstations through to different hosting providers (whether using Docker, CM, or bash scripts), Ansible can help with that (as can Packer, Terraform, etc.).

There is certainly a cost/benefit to these tools you have to consider.

Have a few machines you only do basic admin on occasionally? A CFM is probably too complex and a waste. Have a huge infrastructure that scales rapidly, and you have daily changing requirements, or repetitive tasks? It's a life saver.

If you can happily and efficiently manage 100+ machines with a few lines of Bash.. you probably shouldn't change that.

Just copying is not enough sometimes. If you want to clone some production images to your dev/test environment you need to change some params in production image to make it work.

For example, if you have nginx in production environment that proxies queries to set of upstreams it's necessary to change server addresses in that upstream to local dev servers.

You actually answered your own question.

>I have seen guys try these 9k+ lines of complex syntax Salt systems only to break things, misconfigure them, and leave the system totally dependent on the author (aka the genius).

A lot of it is job security, even if that job doesn't pay them anything.

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