While it's true that the iPhone did introduce some nifty features and concepts that changed the smartphone landscape, this list is overblown and incorrect.
While it's true that the iPhone did introduce some nifty features and concepts that changed the smartphone landscape, this list is overblown and incorrect.
Actually the stylus is pretty powerful. I'm considering getting one for my new Magic. Apart from being able to hand write it is quicker to type as well.
> processed bologna and ever-delicious bacon are the same because people call them both meat.
They're both just dead animals to me.
Bring it on.
As for this little snipefest:
Look, dejb, it's not that we don't understand where you're coming from about the animals. We do. The problem is that rscott is using bacon/balogna as a comparison, and you're taking him literally. Want me to take your counterpoint literally? When I see a stylus, I see electrons. Fuck this argument, fuck this site, fuck this existence, it's electrons. You can't argue, you're a bucket of electrons. There. Now I've shat on this whole debate. Let's all go home rather than contemplate the cognitive dissonance that humans experience when you point this out.
"Bring it on"? You're a fucking commenter on a fucking Internet thread on a site that's about discussing fucking technology! I'm sorry, but I don't give a shit about your stance regarding animal rights when it's not relevant to this thread. Want my attention? Find a good article about what you think is interesting and submit it. I'd love to read more about this. I don't know a thing about it. But right now, we're discussing the iPhone, not fucking animals.
For the record, I have no cognitive dissonance thinking about bacon. I've never seen a dead pig and so the concept is abstract to me. I don't care to make it any more physical because first off, I don't eat bacon, and second off, I don't really give a damn about pigs. It's not in me. Perhaps I'm a psychopath or some shit. But you're either misguided or trolling, and either way it's irritating and a teeny bit hurtful to the community. Cut it out.
Some people can just accept what they perceive as injustice. If someone had casually denigrated black skinned people in the fifties in southern US I like to think I would have found a way to let it be known that I didn't agree. Even if it wasn't the main topic of conversation.
> I'd love to read more about this.
> I don't really give a damn about pigs.
These comments appear to be self contradictory. Much of your post is nonsensical. The fact that so many people are prepared to agree with it astonishing.
> and either way it's irritating and a teeny bit hurtful to the community.
The fact that it causes such a level of fuss for such an initially innocuous comment is telling.
> Cut it out.
No.
What wasn't okay was that you ignored his entire point for the sake of stating your beliefs. If you'd stated what you did and then followed up with a counterpoint, then you wouldn't have been downvoted, wouldn't have had to bitch back at him, and I wouldn't have involved myself.
These comments appear to be self contradictory.
I'm willing to give a damn about pigs if you're able to convince me to. As it stands, a damn is not given but I'm willing to change my mind.
Much of your post is nonsensical.
No it's not.
The fact that it causes such a level of fuss for such an initially innocuous comment is telling.
I hate any and all derails as obnoxious and self-inflated as yours was—not the original post, mind you, but the follow-up.
I replied to his iPhone related points first. Both of them.
> not the original post, mind you, but the follow-up.
When I posted the follow-up the original was at -4 votes in less than an hour on the first post. The vote-down to view ratio must have been off the charts. I was responding to the down voters. I know it is uncool and all to do this but I guess it must have had an effect.
The analogy here is this (in fifties southern US)
- Somebody makes a causally racist comment.
- I mention in my response that I disagree.
- Others express strong but inarticulate disapproval for my comment.
- I respond directly and unambiguously why I think racism is wrong.
- People seem a little less sure of themselves Re the first comment but they are really pissed at me.
- Our hero comes along and chides me for causing such a fuss in a rambling speech.
- The crowd erupts into applause. They didn't understand most of the speech or really care about what was said. But there brief encounter with the morality of their lives is over for now. And the person who has caused them discomfort has been put in their place without them (the crowd) having to articulate their own prejudices.
Furthermore, your assumption about the screen and wifi is incorrect. Mobile Opera was available and was pretty decent. Yes, apps were a one click install. You get the app, either through url, or file transfer and press one button. A quick Google search would've cleared that up for you.
How did that WiFi work seamlesly? Connected on demand to the known networks in the backround, without need for you to do anything? "Prety decent" can mean many things. But it does not mean that you could see the page looking exactly like it did on desktop. Not to mention JS and CSS support. Regarding apps: I am not talking about installing the app once it is on your phone. That's zero clicks on iPhone. I am talking about the whole experience.
Furthermore, your tone is very combative. It's obvious that you're not actually reading what I write, but rather, just pushing your preconceived notions. It's not necessary for me to make a list for you. I was merely pointing out how many of the items that were supposedly introduced or unique to the iPhone wasn't, and in fact was worked on and implemented by many talented engineers years before the iPhone was released.
As a long time HN user, dialogs such as these really turn me off to the current community.
I think most people are aware that the iPhone didn't spring out of some black ether. Obviously it built on technology that existed, but then that's the point. They put it together in a way that blew apart the model that existed before and have pretty much pushed the worldwide cellphone market into a new era.
> is not 240x320 half the resolution of 480x320? Is not 16bit color space not as deep as 24bit? Did that HTC indeed have multitouch?
So does that mean the HTC touch HD with a 3.8-inch wide, WVGA (480 X 800 pixel) is now clearly superior?
> How did that WiFi work seamlesly?
Search for 'iphone wifi'. Those in glass houses?
What you are doing is defining everything about the iphone as the ultimate. So anything different to it is deficient. You are conveniently forgetting about it's many deficiencies when it launched in 2007 such as - no mobile broadband.
Now how about distributing a for-pay app? How easy was that?
If I had to choose between making development free and easy and making sales and advertisement easy, I'll take the easy development. There are always a lot of people who will create interesting things for free, but many of those people might not feel like creating interesting things in Objective-C after paying for a development license and then not being able to distribute their things if Apple doesn't approve of the thing they wrote.
+ http://www.mazama.net/scheme/pscheme.htm if you're interested!
This is the suckiest part. Paying money (every year!) to develop on a device you paid for is insane. I don't know if any other platform has annual development fees. Damned if I'll pay money every year to be "allowed" to write/deploy code on my own device.
I guess that's not the case anymore, especially when it comes to apple products.
We do like downvoting people who complain about downvotes, so I hope you don't mind my bumping you down here.
Additionally, snarky jabs at the rest of the HN userbase for not providing unbiased and rational discussion are not a good way of getting unbiased and rational replies. It is more likely to perpetuate fanboy/hater bickering, which we can all at least try to keep to a minimum.