With 20/20 hindsight, sure, Debian should have gone with ffmpeg. But that was not obvious at the time. From the outside, the ffmpeg/libav split looked a lot like the XFree86/Xorg split, where the people doing the work and the people with commit access were too disjoint.
It's also not at all obvious why the libav developers would choose to ignore the work on ffmpeg, while the ffmpeg developers have pulled in changes from libav. From the outside, that decision seems crazy.
The main reason debian (and hence ubuntu) packaged libav instead of ffmpeg is that one of the libav guys is also a debian guy.
The libav guys apparently had genuine criticism about ffmpeg development that they felt were not addressed within the prevailing ffmpeg development model at the time -- and thus they had to fork. For all I know, (as an involved user), they were completely right, and perhaps ffmpeg would not have been as good as it is today had they not forked.
However, neidermeyer et al seemed to have responded to the fork with a significantly improved development process. before libav, ffmpeg improved slowly, and tended to reject contributions. Since libav, ffmpeg is improving rapidly, and when code is contributed, they bring it to their standard rather than rejecting it for not living up to it.
> It's also not at all obvious why the libav developers would choose to ignore the work on ffmpeg
They have pulled in some things from FFmpeg, but avoiding having to work with some of the FFmpeg developers was one of the main points of the fork. Pulling in all of Libav's changes has been a continual source of pain for FFmpeg and they've talked about halting it a few times, but it is ultimately the reason why FFmpeg is so far ahead in features now.
Its a do-ocracy and if it took two or so years until Andreas packaged it up, I'm not thinking the claimed demand actually exists. All those devs going to all that work to compile ffmpeg, and yet none of them could be bothered to run dpkg-buildpackage... nah just not seeing it.
There's a relevant line from the post "No, there is no need to replace anything as long as it is maintained." This is why ffmpeg was gone for quite awhile, no one willing to maintain it.
(edited to add, if its not entirely clear, this was totally a bottom up decision not top down, at least as I see it. Not "Debian decided this and that" but individual devs didn't want to package ffmpeg, so it didn't get packaged. That simple. Of course there's social aspects so simple things are never entirely simple... If you want an example of something in Debian being forced top down via general resolution votes and the like, look no further than the systemd debacle)
The debian package maintainer of ffmpeg was/is one of the libav guys and decided to replace ffmpeg with libav. Judging by several frustrated comments in this thread, it has obviously been a hurtful decision.
There are a few writeups of the situation on the web, here's one: http://blog.pkh.me/p/13-the-ffmpeg-libav-situation.html
> Its a do-ocracy and if it took two or so years until > Andreas packaged it up, I'm not thinking the claimed demand actually exists. All those devs going to all that work to compile ffmpeg, and yet none of them could be bothered to run dpkg-buildpackage... nah just not seeing it.
I have only been using ffmpeg for 8 months for quick track mixing so I don't know much about its history but going on ffmpeg.org always led me to some ready to use and out-of-the-box binaries hosted there http://ffmpeg.gusari.org/static/ so I don't really see the need for a deb package. (unless the environment is minimal and many lib are missing ? I don't use minimal debian anymore so there's that). Am I missing something ?
Anecdotal data point: In my last two companies, we installed ffmpeg through custom-built packages. Libav just isn't an option.
A quick google search shows that lots of people ran dpkg-buildpackage and even put their results up for download.
It sounds like you're surprised nobody tried to upload them... Well, maybe it's not surprising that nobody wanted to get embroiled in another Debian developer power struggle?
That’s one of the reasons for lack of builds.
PS. Everyone that down voted me for saying he used the wrong Distro, he was using CentOS which uses ffmpeg.
Hacker News Down Votes are so frustrating!
People are don't read/pay attention are so frustrating.