Near Miss: The Solar Superstorm of July 2012
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Can you imagine how disastrous this would be? People would likely wake up without power, and think little of it at first. "Oh, it's a power outage. Better light some candles and wait it out." Then hours, days would pass. There would be no internet, television, or even newspapers to report what happened. We would be reduced to hearing the news from Shakespearian harriers!
I wonder if this would cause mass revolt. What happens when you completely disable modern technology on all of earth? If this is as likely as they say it is, there needs to be some serious research into mitigation strategies not only of the immediate technological effects, but also of the sociological effects.
Edit: maybe not all of earth, as the NASA page compares this to a localized blackout in Quebec. Can anyone comment on the geographical range of damage?
Put one on each transformer that cuts power if it exceeds limits, this would save the transformer and would allow us to restore function pretty quickly.
I say "fuse or relay", but for the power levels involved these are NOT simple components.
Wish I had better news, but hey you protect against "real" risks, like LOOPs, trips, downed trees, lightning, regulators, and floods. Well I guess the quotes are unfair, these things happen often. So these are real things you want to mitigate. End of the world stuff, no one takes that seriously sadly.
Also, don't forget a lot of the protective relays are digital protective relays. So even if you have them, well they might not work in This case. So aside from the digital PRs being "better" companies still sell them and few sell the older SD models, so we end up replacing the old solid state relays with digital drop in ones.
So even if you have a PR it might not work in this case. And frankly few people in the industry, or with the regulators, takes a geostorm seriously in commercial power, even though they should.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKXPeTvmVQg
These systems are complicated, hard to maintain and expensive.
It'll only be considered an investment when the damage can out-weight the cost. So it's likely they'll only learn the lesson after the first solar storm hits, unless legislation demands they put it now.
For instance, Netflix has it's chaos monkey, than randomly kills servers and availability zones and generally wreaks havoc. They set it loose, and learn to keep things operating. I really thinkg it would be a responsible societal effort to introduce chaos monkeys into our archaic infrastructure outside digital.
And as for that underfunded satellite, it's sitting in the sweet spot between the gravitation tug of the earth and sun called the L1 langrangian point, where it takes no effort to keep it exactly in place. But we really need more drills to learned whether the hydro/comm infrastructure on one hemisphere of the earth can actually shut everything down in 20 minutes, day or night.
Doing a quick search, this seems to be called a "dispatcher training simulator": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dispatcher_training_simulator
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_management_system
http://www.alstom.com/Global/Grid/Resources/Documents/Automa...
http://www.alstom.com/Global/Grid/Resources/Documents/Automa...
I toured their facilities in Boulder, CO a few years ago (I develop a satellite data product, http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs11207-014-0529-3, that is used in forecasting). The forecasting is done partly with numerical models, partly with observational data, and partly with old school intuition and experience. It partly involves a small group of grizzled experts sitting in front of a bunch of monitors displaying images and time series.
They are trying to automate it as much as possible and bring in new data sources, especially near real time data sources, from NASA and NOAA satellites. It's too much to go into in the scope of a comment, but suffice it to say that, with as many photons as the Sun puts out, you can gather a lot of information about the entire 3D solar atmosphere and magnetic environment. One day, these measurements would feed a forward model of the same type used in terrestrial weather prediction.
The biggest risk is if you think of it on the very long term, staying on earth is like risking it all on staying on one rock. There are far too many risks, and there is little you can do mitigate them on the long term.
The long term solution is to invest money to build technologies to develop inter stellar travel and related technologies to settle humans outside earth. And that really wasn't that difficult to achieve. The problem is we haven't made serious attempts beyond the moon and mars missions. The funding is too limited, and there is no political consensus around the world to work towards these goals. We have become far too busy with wars, conflicts and other pointless spending on earth. While we could have used the money to do something like this.
>>Can you imagine how disastrous this would be?....
It can be far more disastrous than you imagine. Loss of electricity and water are just primary effects. There are many secondary effects of these scenarios. No electricity means you can't pump out fuel. Bulk of your critical production[Food/Medicine/Sanitation etc] Will come to grinding halt because of inter dependencies. Expect mass starvation, riots, loss of law and order kind of scenarios. There will likely be powerful groups controlling critical resources required to survive.
I wouldn't say its a extinction scenario. But it will come pretty close.
It would take significantly more than this to wipe out humanity btw. Even the worse case scenarios, civilization still recovers eventually.
> I wonder if this would cause mass revolt. What happens when you completely disable modern technology on all of earth? If this is as likely as they say it is, there needs to be some serious research into mitigation strategies not only of the immediate technological effects, but also of the sociological effects.
I really doubt it would be that terrible. It's not like electricity would have completely disappeared for ever (like in this great novel apparently called in English "Ashes, Ashes" [0]).
Important things and urgent things like communication means would quickly be operated by emergency generators, so people would immediately have information through radio (and most of the receptors are battery operated), and probably also TV, although they would probably have to go to the local townhall, hospital, school or whatever place would have a working generator to watch it.
Cars would still work so people could move around, at least while there are refined gasoline reserves, but refineries would probably be one of the first industries to get powered again anyway.
Probably for a good while there would be restrictions on electricity usage, depending on how hard existing plants would have been hit and whether they are fixable or have to be completely rebuilt, but I really don't think it would "destroy life as we know it".
I wonder how nuclear plants would handle this, though.
Yes, could all those aged reactors deal with large scale grid or component malfunction? Fukishima didn't do too well. FUD: Would we have hundreds of Fukishimas on our hands after such event?
It's hard to find a source on this, I apologize. The reason is that it only has large turbines to generate power, and these cannot be operated for arbitrary power output.
The biggest problem would be high-voltage transformers. They're made mostly be hand, by people who spend several years learning to do it, and we don't have many spares. If they go down continent-wide, we could be without grid power for years. I'm a little less sanguine than you about how well we'd do in that situation.
http://spectrum.ieee.org/energy/the-smarter-grid/a-perfect-s...
Any car that was running at the time of the CME would have all of its electronics fried and become inoperable.
> at least while there are refined gasoline reserves
As another poster hinted at, any gas station in operation at the time of the event would have its pumping equipment fried. Even if the pumps weren't harmed, you still need electricity to run them, so you'll have to wait until the grid comes back up.
Start here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow's_hierarchy_of_needs and work upwards.
Cities are stocked with food and water for few days, but once the supplies are gone, you'll have waves of hungry and desperate people radiating from cities to nearby farms and villages.
I've been trying to work out a way to organize neighborhood-level basic essentials storages on the cheap, so that people in that kind of situation can afford to take care of themselves until the power comes back on. Food is pretty easy, but water and sanitation are a bit more problematic so far.
[1] - just calories to make it over the hump, this is not health food. Ingredients are white flour, white sugar, vegetable oil, and some white rice for the people who can't do the wheat products. Add vitamin pills to prevent deficiency diseases and you can stay functional for a long time at about $0.30/day.
Everybody assumes that in an end of the world scenario that we all end up fighting for food, however the better plan, and to be honest the one that served society well in the past, was that we become farmers. Without tractors we'll have plenty of farmland that needs manual labour.
It would be nice if it was codified into law that our fallback plan was to redistribute farmland. Then there is no need for roving biker gangs fighting for the last can of tuna. We'll just step away from the now dead computers and pick up a hoe.
Saying that 90% of crops would fail is kind of an over statement. Organic farms that don't use fertilisers are quite successful. The issue is planing and sowing, all of which the extra man power can assist with. Instead of a tractor you have people.
All that's needed is a plan, where farmers us the extra labour until machines can be gotten back on line. No need for a lawless society.
Cuba is an interesting example of a place that had to rapidly adopt a low-power lifestyle, and they actually seem to have done it with grace. There might be a good case there to study for clues about what works. They have the advantage of not having to contend with long, cold winters though, which is a critical difference for most of North America.
I would imagine that secretly farmers want other local farmers to not do as well, so that there is less competition for their produce, however you'd know better than me.
Reading the comments on wapo wherein individuals ridiculed the NASA report as pseudoscience and compared it to global warming (as deniers) utterly depressed me.
Then I read the HN comments where there is an evidence driven debate over the extent of the possible impact of such an event (generally concluding utter catastrophe), and my hope is restored.
original comment: Highly unlikely, they compare it to the Carrington storm of 1859, which didn't destroy any life (or even life as we know it), so even if it were more powerful, it probably wouldn't have destroyed all life. It may have interfered with a lot of satellites and communications systems though.
edit: Any damage from a Carrington level event would likely have been localized and temporary. For life as we know it to be destroyed, it would be irrecoverable or permanent, which is why I am arguing against the statement "life as we know it would be destroyed."
Many satellites are exposed to the open solar wind all the time, and ones in low Earth orbit, though shielded to some degree by the magnetosphere are designed to deal with large solar flares either by baffling sensitive instruments or shutting down temporarily (some may even change their orbit).
Though I imagine hospitals and other medical facilities might encounter serious issues, including inpatient deaths, were such a big solar storm to occur.
We've seen lots of powerful solar events strike the Earth and so far, even the ones that have struck in times of modern technology have only caused localized issues, and those localized issues were usually a result of some level of poor design.
Isn't this storm supposed to have set telegraph wires on fire? Why would the magnetic field involved here not do the same to our electric grid? Wouldn't most transformers be overloaded / damaged by the additional electricity induced on the grid?
Or is this less likely to happen everywhere? It's been a while since I studied electro-magnetism, but IIRC a magnetic field induced a current orthogonal to it's direction. Does this mean that not all transmission lines would be equally affected?
When there are ice storms in North Carolina where I grew up transformers would explode by the dozen each night but this didn't keep the power off for more than a few days. I doubt a flare would destroy transformers wholesale but even if it did we'd probably not be too bad off for long.
[0] Edit: The HN story title has changed, and was originally "A solar storm nearly destroyed life as we know it two years ago"
I don't know what "life as we know it" means, but it would be a significant disaster.
We'd be out billions of dollars in spy satellites too so maybe we'd triage on what we decide is important to launch after such an event.
Solar Storm Risk to the North American Electric Grid [PDF]
http://www.lloyds.com/~/media/lloyds/reports/emerging%20risk...
Summary here:
http://www.lloyds.com/news-and-insight/news-and-features/env...
Some key points:
Weighted by population, the highest risk of storm-induced power outages in the US is along the Atlantic corridor between Washington D.C. and New York City.
The total U.S. population at risk of extended power outage from a Carrington-level [estimated to occur every ~150 years] storm is between 20-40 million, with durations of 16 days to 1-2 years.
The wide variation of expected duration is is dependent on the number of transformers destroyed:
If spares are readily available, the total transportation and setup time for a large power transformer can range from a few weeks to months depending on distance and logistical issues. If new transformers need to be ordered, the lead-time is estimated to be between 5-12 months for domestic suppliers, and 6-12 months for international suppliers.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8078076
>I work in commercial electrical power. No they don't. Because they aren't required to. It's all about costs. So unless it's about known risks (read PRA), no they don't protect against it. You need to spend money where the risks happen.
Plus a Faraday cage would not do anything anyway, the frequency is too low.
Wouldn't it possible to add automated circuit breakers in case of high current surge then?
> Plus a Faraday cage would not do anything anyway, the frequency is too low.
Low frequency means long wave length, no? I thought that the Faraday cage holes needed to be smaller than the wave length for it to work.
Yes, but a circuit breaker at the voltages and/or power levels involved is not a simple device. They don't have them (due to cost and complexity), and there is a lot of criticism that they don't.
> Low frequency means long wave length, no? I thought that the Faraday cage holes needed to be smaller than the wave length for it to work.
It's both. If the holes are too large then small waves can go right in, but if the wavelength is very large the wave doesn't even notice the cage is there.
A Faraday cage works by picking up and distributing the EMF on all sides of the cage, so the field inside is canceled out. But if the wavelength is too large the cage can not pick up the EMF, and the EMF is present inside the cage. (However with a wave that large is not clear it would do anything to devices inside. The nice long wires of the power grid are perfect for it though.)
The outage would be 5-12 months to produce them and weeks to months for transport them and install them.
Even with spares, the expected outage can be between weeks and months if the spares aren't near enough.
There are still no spares now.
From the conclusion:
"Since the 1989 Quebec storm and power outage, the Canadian government has invested $1.2 billion (about $34 per person) into protecting the Hydro-Quebec grid infrastructure, installing numerous blocking capacitors44. While these mitigation strategies can be expensive up front (estimated cost of $100k per blocking capacitor for a total of $100 million to protect the 1,000 most vulnerable transformers45), the cost of prevention is much smaller than the cost of the damage a single storm can create."
It seems only Canadians are doing at least something?
Can anyone indicate how + and - charges are distributed in a CME? Are there strong electric fields due to local charge imbalances? For the magnetic field, it's tempting to say that the drift velocity of charges in a CME is high (as much as 0.001c) but then wouldn't charges of both polarities be moving with that (average) speed? Perhaps there is some initial motion when the charges are ejected from the sun?
[1] http://www.feynmanlectures.caltech.edu/II_01.html#Ch1-S5
[0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Random_walk#Higher_dimensions
> There is a 12 percent chance of a Carrington-type event on Earth in the next 10 years
> "... knock modern civilization back to the 18th century ..."
and later:
> "According to a study by the National Academy of Sciences, the total economic impact could exceed $2 trillion or 20 times greater than the costs of a Hurricane Katrina."
Is that figure for the US, or the world? Also, while that's a lot of money, it's not "knock modern civilization back to the 18th century"-money. So which one is it? Neither the NASA or WaPo article seems to give a clear answer.
Although we would fix it. Assuming current levels of production it would take years to fully repair, but I assume after a disaster we would massively increase the rate of production and it wouldn't be as bad as some make out.
Poorer counties, and those without a manufacturing base, would be in much much worse shape though.
These days everyone is "uniquely" sensitive to it.
That would feel like the apocalypse if it happened. It could certainly be done in time, but doubt you could convince people it was real.
There would be a ton of deaths, so it's not something to do lightly.
Any deaths that would happen from shutting down the power grid would happen anyway, but this would allow for mitigation strategies to be put into place. Hospitals already have emergency generators, so it not like they're strangers to the concept. Also, the 2003 northeastern blackout affected 55 million persons for up to two days and only ten fatalities were attributed to the outage.
Anyway, this seems like a good thing to have a contingency plan written up for. The NASA article suggest there isn't, but that just might be that they don't know about it - they wouldn't be responsible for executing it anyway.
If you leave cities connected, and the solar solar storm hits, then the cities are without power for a much longer period of time than if you took preemptive measures - with all the risks of crime that follow. Also, I'll refer to the 2003 blackout for a dry run of the mayhem that will unfold in the face of a vast power outage (ie. not much), and in this case, you'll even be able to provide a quite fair number of hours warning, so most people should be able to get home - you won't have a million office workers stranded in Manhattan. Hoarding will happen, though, and it won't be pretty. That survivalist nutcase guy at the end of the street will have a field day when he struts out of his well-stocked bunker after the power comes back on.
The PR nightmare of having shut down the grid for a few hours with warning (presumably, you'll shut it down immediately before the hit is expected, so if you're wrong, you can turn it back on fairly quickly[1]) is much, much lighter than frying the entire nations electrical grid, causing trouble for years because you acted against advice from your NASA director. Also, if he was wrong, the NASA director will make a pretty good fall guy and it won't even be all that unfair. If your PR guy can't spin "I listened to the best scientists in the country and followed their recommendations, I'm sorry they were wrong, but better safe than sorry", fire him too.
1: Spinning a grid back up isn't anywhere near instant, I know, but it'll be a lot faster than having to rebuild the grid first.
Also, if enough of the grid goes down you'll have black-start issues in places.
But there's no specific reason you need to do that - the reactor won't be effected, the control rod circuits are heavily shielded and fail safe these days (i.e. if power does go, the arms holding the rods drop them in automatically when the electromagnets fail).
For a day or 2 of shutdown, you could leave the reactor hot.
If you planned in advance (to manage the reactor's thermal state - i.e. keep the heat exchangers going) in such a situation, then all you're doing is disconnecting the transformers.
The problem is no one's planned ahead for this type of shutdown of a nuclear plant. The procedure you follow is the one you have since you definitely don't want to make it up on the fly with a nuclear plant.
You'd also have people panic-buying at supermarkets and hardware stores - but without the ability to electronically transfer money... you've got a lot of public panic to contend with. Food riots, crime skyrocketing. Lots of ugly stuff would happen before you would be able to do much manufacturing to recover (and most manufacturing these days needs a lot of power...)
To the naysayers here, don't your jobs require access to electricity? How's your Node startup going to survive months or years without power? (No elevator pitches if the elevators aren't working!)
There is a chicken-egg problem here. You can't massively increase production because, you don't have enough energy to do that. And that is because your existing infrastructure is fried.
For a few months/years at least you will have to bootstrap a lot of transformers to increase supply to produce more transformers. And only when you break even on a good enough energy you will go back to the normal.
However note, in order to increase production you also need to mine quickly for you don't really have energy. So there are a lot of sub dependencies.
But by any measure lack of energy for a such a long time, would have already set back world economy to way back in the past.
That's not really true. The grid might be down, but this isn't a SciFi story - regular generators will still work just fine.
The larger generators the power the grid will also still be there and working fine - so just figure out a way to jury rig a connection to one.
Unfortunately it's not so easy. A number of the raw materials have quite limited supply and even after production, transportation is very time consuming.
Transportation can be shorted by producing locally, but in 2010, only 15% of large power transformers (>60 MVA) deployed in the US were supplied by domestic producers[1] (although domestic production capacity is increasing):
LPTs require a long lead time, and transporting them can be challenging. The average lead time for an LPT is between five and 16 months; however, the lead time can extend beyond 20 months if there are any supply disruptions or delays with the supplies, raw materials, or key parts. Its large size and weight can further complicate the procurement process, because an LPT requires special arrangements and special rail cars for transport.[1]
For more than you ever wanted to know on the subject, see the following:
[1] http://energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2014/04/f15/LPTStudyUpdat...
The high quality (i.e. efficient) version (electrical steel) has limited supply, but if you didn't care about that, and just wanted something to work now, there is much more supply. All the other materials are common and widely available.
> Its large size and weight can further complicate
I would expect the military to step in with some heavy lift vehicles.
All of what you say is for normal times, but in an emergency (i.e. cost is no object) we could do things a LOT faster.
If you read up about e.g. the crazy efforts that went on during World War II, this would be a good example of how focused a large economy can be in times of crisis. Of course there would be less time available to make the next Instagram, but it would probably have some positive side effects too.
Given it's the National Academy of Sciences (not International), given how inward facing the US usually is and given that it's only 20 times greater than Hurricane Katrina, I'm thinking it's only the figure for the US.
Of course, if the US happened to be facing away from the sun when it happened (night), based on other comments here I'm assuming the damage would be much less severe.
Now it should be fairly clear intuitively that at least roughly increments, that is, arrivals of points, are stationary in time and independent.
Presto: It follows that the stochastic point process is a Poisson process about which we know a lot.
So, we'd like the arrival rate of this Poisson process, say, in arrivals per year. Okay, we can get a good estimate just by dividing the number of arrivals we have observed over the number of years we have been observing. Then with this estimate of the arrival rate, we can calculate the probability of an arrival in, say, the next 10 years.
Since, when was it, 18?? or some such, we've actually had no arrivals at all that hit Earth, the arrival rate is low and the chances of an arrival in the next 10 years is low.
Relax! Good news, right? I mean, the sky is not really falling this time after all!
But if you average out over at least the solar cycle, you could come up with a rate of superstorms per-cycle. There have been about 15 cycles since the 1859 superstorm, which would mean that perhaps you expect ~ 1 chance in 15 of such a storm in the coming cycle.
Details are in E. Cinlar, 'Introduction to Stochastic Processes' in his chapter on the Poisson process. There he also touches on the non-stationary case, and what he has may (I'm in hurry this morning) be equivalent to your "average out over ... the cycle".
Since a finite sum of independent Poisson processes is a Poisson process, your 1 in 15 over the next cycle may be equivalent to 1 in 2014 - 1859 years over the next year.
I do the same for asteroids: We have a good ballpark estimate of the rate of killer asteroids, and the rate is low enough to f'get about it.
When you add up the number of catastrophic events over an 11-year cycle, you get a sequence of "numbers of catastrophic CMEs"
N1, N2, ..., Nk
each of which is Poisson with intensity \int_{cycle} lambda(t) dt [*]
If you ignore the larger-than-a-cycle variations in intensity, this integral is the same for each cycle. So the N's above are iid Poisson with some common parameter lambda_0, say.Observing the N's for many cycles would allow you to estimate lambda_0. That's pretty much where the 1 in 15 comes from (indeed, lambda_0 is so low that there are only 0 or 1 events per cycle, so "estimation" is trivial).
The "easy" problem is that, even averaging over a cycle, the activity ([*] above) is not constant, e.g. this graph of sunspot numbers vs. time:
http://blogs.nicholas.duke.edu/thegreengrok/files/2012/07/su...
The "hard" problem is that the counts are not, in real life, independent, even across weeks-to-months time scales. This would invalidate the Poisson model at the ground level (see the talk referenced by @gone35 above).
There are reasons (e.g., Maunder minimum, see the plot above) to believe that the counts are also not independent at the decadal time scale.
Lack of independence would be a huge problem for any Poisson model. You'd have to go up to a doubly stochastic process, for example, in which lambda(t) is itself a random process.
So, with assumptions of stationary and independent increments, the Maunder minimum shown in the graph would have probability less than zip and zilch of happening in which case we would reject the assumptions.
You also are analyzing sun spots while the OP is talking about dangerous CMEs. It's been a while since I studied sun spots: You are saying that a sun spot is just a small case of a CME? Or is a dangerous CME not just a big sun spot but a different animal?
Simple sunspots are bipolar, they have a N and a S region with field lines arching up connecting one to the other.
Complex sunspots are multipolar, and the field lines therefore cross in weird ways (in the 3D solar plasma). They can change configurations suddenly, releasing a lot of energy as the magnetic field lines re-arrange to a lower-energy configuration.
This magnetic reconnection is what drives CMEs (roughly speaking).
That's not intuitive at all. They are all produced by the same source, the sun, according to some internal cycle. They are definitely NOT independent.
If it can't be done, then independence has to hold. If in practice we don't have a clue, then intuitively we have to guess that we have a good first-cut approximation to independence. Here I'm omitting the little derivation in terms of conditional probability -- I've done it too often in the past and am in a hurry this morning.
"The same source" doesn't have to mean much. We can flip the same coin and get independent results.
The internals of the sun are complicated with, no doubt, a lot of randomness, i.e., roiling and boiling. For a good first cut in practice, at least over time intervals longer than, say, a week, we assume independence. Or, I've got a pot of soup overheated and boiling on the stove, and occasionally it splatters and puts a mess on the stove top. When's the next splatter? Who knows. So, first-cut, independence.
Far from it, insofar as the (time-dependent) solar cycle modulates the storm rate [1]. Besides there is some evidence of dependence between the flares themselves --strong enough to manifest itself in a complicated waiting time empirical distribution [1,2].
Be careful with the common --but nefarious-- habit of adducing stationarities and 'nice' distributions unwarrantedly. In the meantime, y-you are not allowed statistics anymore, sorry.
[1] http://www.physics.usyd.edu.au/~wheat/talks/fstats_agu_2005....
What? While I'm reading your references, let's be clear on what you are saying: On the one hand, in the context of the OP, we're talking about flairs, as essentially discrete events, 'points' in a 'point process', over time intervals from the present back to at least 1889 or whenever it was, that is, over 100 years, and, if we could get more data, thousands or millions of years and (2) what happens in detail with the sun spots, the 11 year sun spot cycle, the magnetic field of the sun, etc.
So, sure, on short time scales, say, within one 'point' there can be a lot of dependence, that is, lack of 'independent increments'. But for these 'points' over years, centuries, or millennia? You are saying that there is a dependence between a flair today and 11 years from now?
Assuming that the 'dangerous flairs' are more common when sun spots are in the 11 year cycle, for modeling the stochastic arrival process over several decades, centuries, etc. we should, first-cut, and I saw a lot of first-cutting when I was in physics class, 'smooth out' the 11 year cycle and continue on. Then, tough to believe that you are claiming dependence between points separated by months or years.
E.g., I see in your [2] in Figure 2 on page 463 a distribution of waiting times with the horizontal axis a log scale up to 10,000 hours but clearly nearly all the probability mass less than 100 hours, here being sure to note the log scale on the vertical axis. So, in the context of the OP, that 100 hours is within just one particular 'point' in the stochastic point process and essentially irrelevant when considering years, decades, centuries, etc.
So, the independent increments assumption seems to continue to hold. And with the smearing out, so does the stationarity. Then, from Cinlar, presto, a Poisson process.
Oops: Apparently the Maunder minimum, as in the graph below in this thread, kills off the stationarity assumption, even with the 'smoothing'.
So, apparently until we can understand things like the Maunder minimum, we're really short on a good stochastic point process model of sun spots and maybe also dangerous CMEs.
Then maybe the best we have is just observe that both humans and life on earth have been around a long time and in some intuitive sense the sun seems fairly 'stable' in some meaningful sense so that we can guess we will still be here a long time. Math fails again!
If it hit the earth it would have slowed down and stayed longer.
The charged particles interacting with the magnetic field of the earth would have produced a planet wide EMP (larger than even a nuke could do). The charged particles would have induced electric current in any large wire and would have acted on the whole planet.
It took only 4 hours to get from the Sun to Earth, but then it 'slows down' and hangs about?
I was thinking of the 1989 CME, which had localised effects in Canada. But that was much smaller
Just curious, what exactly was cleared out? I thought the interplanetary medium is just empty space.
What was exactly cleared out I don't know though.
I assumed that 'clearing out' means the opposite, that the area now had a higher than normal charged particle density, and thus it was easier to pass through?
I'm also curious if anyone can give a thorough explanation.
Wait it out seems somewhat optimistic. No refrigeration means any fresh food would spoil pretty quickly. Better hope that garden can be scaled up.
Clean water would become an issue first though. I don't know where the nearest lake or stream is. Though I imagine several days away on foot.
Assuming you made it that long protection would become an issue. You'd want to be sure you had good relationships with your with your neighbors.
It really doesn't take much to get pretty far down the doomsdayer path I guess.
Lesson learned... optimize for happiness everyday.
Under your feet. :)
Has Minecraft taught this generation nothing? ;-)
Guns. Lots of guns.
After the fresh food and water runs out in cities, you'll have masses of people abandoning urban areas in desperate hope to find food. Any settlement nearby will be pillaged.
So if you have a garden, better be prepared to defend it.
Tsk, Washington Post. I think you mean "comprised."
Sudden, large CMEs are not necessarily predictable, but they may be to some degree, most of the solar wind modeling efforts are aimed at determining the time of arrival of a structure on the Sun at Earth (or whether it will arrive) rather than determining if such a structure will happen or not, though as I said, there are some ways to make educated guesses.
Once you think a CME will be Earth directed, the important factors are how strong it is (magnetic field and proton density) and how soon it will arrive. Steady solar wind takes about four days to make the journey but huge solar flares may take less than 24 hours, all told, this is still plenty of time for most satellite operators to prepare their satellites by baffling them or taking other precautionary measures.
[1] http://www.ferc.gov/industries/electric/indus-act/reliabilit...
[2] http://fas.org/irp/agency/dod/jason/spaceweather.pdf
[3] http://www.lloyds.com/~/media/lloyds/reports/emerging%20risk...
Thanks in advance.
Some men just want to watch the world burn.
Yes, the power grid could have blown up. We would have then paid more for electricity. (It's unclear to me if the effect is global, or Earth shields the nighttime side from the impact.)
Satellites would probably stop working. So air traffic would have to use VOR/NDB/DME instead of GPS. Ships would use LORAN. Weather forecasters would use radar instead of satellite (a problem during hurricane season).
This headline makes me angry. It's not like we would have been instantly vaporized. Some stuff would be less convenient until we rebuilt it. That's it.
Many people wouldn't be able to get electricity at all. Sure, you can buy portable generators, so having the power grid collapse isn't automatically a problem -- but there aren't enough portable generators in the world to power everything, even if we had the necessary quantities of fuel on hand.
So air traffic would have to use VOR/NDB/DME instead of GPS
Assuming VOR/NDB/DME stations had power and hadn't been set on fire by induced currents during the magnetic storm, sure...
Image what would happen if there is no electricity in the military. Which is such critical functions like that will get bulk of the available supply, leaving very little for everything else.
We may not go extinct, but given general shortage of food, struggle for resources and break down of law and order. The world will be a very different place.
Only if they remained calm and organized. When your (electricity-dependent) job is gone your first worry will be securing access to food and medicine. So depending on how much damage the incident does to power grid and how quickly governments react, you may see anything from short-term economical crisis to riots and collapse of the society.
"Life as we know it" is a valuable idiomatic phrase and we should protect it as such.
With the current power grid structure in most developed countries, this would not be an option: some components (such as large transformers) in the current grid would be destroyed by a large CME event and it would take years to replace enough of them to restore the grid.
> Ships would use LORAN.
That would be difficult since LORAN doesn't exist any more; it was taken off line years ago when GPS became widely available.
> Some stuff would be less convenient until we rebuilt it.
As things stand currently, some stuff would not exist until we rebuilt it.
I certainly think we could get to a point where a large CME event would only be an inconvenience. But doing that will require redesigning significant parts of our infrastructure to be much more decentralized, and having plans in place to replace key components quickly. We are not at that point now.
A Faraday cage only shields against high frequency fields, but a CME is a very low frequency event. You need mu-metal, and huge amounts of it.
Plus it would knock out the power grid, so all the gear in your basement wouldn't be all that useful.
(Although it would also have a hard time affecting the small items inside.)
A Faraday cage also can not shield against a static, or slowly changing magnetic field.