The evidence that shows Iron Dome is not working
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In the 2nd Lebanon war(2006), Hezbollah shot ~120 rockets/day at north Israel and Haifa, and the destruction was both visible and painful. 44 civilians dead. Multiple buildings in Haifa destroyed. I remember the pictures, so many of them. We had the alarms, we had the bomb shelters then, but still, the rockets destroyed and killed.
In the current conflict, almost zero dead, almost zero buildings destroyed, and this is while Hamas is shooting roughly the same number of rockets(~120/day), bigger rockets and to a far more densely populated areas than ever targeted by either Hamas OR Hezbollah(Tel Aviv, Rishon Leziyon where most of Israeli population and commerce is).
There is a reason why Hezbollah and Hamas equipped themselves with tens of thousands of rockets, because it used to work, but not anymore.
I've even had a discussion previously today with my dad that if accuracy of Iron Dome would increase to 99%, we could actually turn off the siren system and maybe just ignore Hamas rockets, keep living normally, thus preventing the need to use offensive military force and prevent casualties on both sides.
Unfortunately we've recently learned that Hamas has already developed a new tactic, building tunnels under the border into Israeli towns and have 10-20 Hamas soldiers come with handcuffs and syringes with anastasia to kidnap Israeli civilians. We've already discovered ~15 such tunnels, and there is much talk that we need an "Iron Dome" for discovering tunnels in the very special geological structure of the sand around Gaza.
I personally need an Iron Dome for my soul, after seeing so many pictures of Israelis and Gazans dead, having difficult conversations with my kids and having a difficult time building my startup when all I can think of is this war. Fucking war.
(While writing this I was interrupted due to 3 rockets shot at Tel Aviv, 2 intercepted, 1 hit a house, the first time for central Israel in this war.. the irony).
You can make any theoretical analysis you want, but nothing trumps actual reality.
And the actual reality is there is much less damage in Israel compared to previous attacks.
I didn't realise this - I thought the majority of Gaza-fired rockets were fabricated in Gaza and pretty ineffectual, hence the 29 casualties since 2001.
In early years they mainly shot the ones of the left, in the recent years and mainly in the current conflict they're shooting military grade Fadjr5 and M302(the two on the left) that have a serious kill payload(greater kinetic energy + warhead size).
I tried to dig up a source for this, and while I did find an article published just today [1], it says the tunnels have been used to (try to) kidnap Israeli soldiers, and on a rather smaller scale (a few intruders, not 10-20). Has there been any incident (successful or interrupted) of civilians kidnapped via these tunnels? It surely is a terrifying prospect, but how practical is it?
[1] http://www.smh.com.au/world/how-hamas-uses-its-tunnels-to-ki...
"The incident in which the four IDF soldiers were killed near Nir-Am occurred at about 6:30 Monday morning, when at least 10 Palestinians entered Israeli territory from the tunnel and split into two groups, one tried to make its way to Kibbutz Erez and the other to Kibbutz Nir-Am."
Kibbutz == a civilian community or village.
Also, in a different tunnel incident: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/...
"According to the Israeli military, the purpose of the militants was not only to kill but also to kidnap, as was evident by the equipment they carried, which included, arms, syringes, tranquillisers, plastic handcuffs and even IDF uniforms."
The author has been a vocal critic of missile defense systems for decades. While that doesn't negate his arguments, it suggests a potential motivation for his artificial definition of success.
Edit: As the comment below points out, the rocket's trajectory could be changed so as to increase casualties. While that's true, it won't do so on average for several reasons. A rocket is only targeted if the system believes it has a high probability of striking a populated area. Since the expected losses are high, average will be better. In fact, average should be much better because the distribution of population density is so skewed. A small percentage of land is in dense regions. In this particular case, there's the added advantage that the most populous cities are relatively far away from Gaza so early impact is better.
It might also cause more deaths.
An exception to this might be that the rocket aims a city of thousands, who get sheltered successfully, which means the rocket would kill about zero people. When the rocket now gets deviated it might hit a target with hundred people who didn't get sheltered. Therefore the result for the population might be worse. My feeling (and I am definitely not an expert) is that this is comparatively unlikely, though.
In many situations, it makes far more sense to save the Iron Dome counter-missles.
[1]: http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=712463 [2]: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4542242,00.html
Most of the rockets aren't SCUD missiles or anything close to that. Here is a good picture of breakdown of Hamas' rocket types:
http://www.airforceworld.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/11...
Note that most rocket attacks are using Qassam rockets and targetted towards Sderot which is only about a few hundred meters from the Gaza Strip and within viewing distance of it:
I would guess that missiles against Sderot flies at a low altitude and has a too short air time for any system to intercept them.
Btw if you do an image search on the Palestinian rockets, you'll only find pictures of badass rockets like this one: http://jssnews.com/content/assets/2012/12/qassam-rocket-powe... They like to pose with their biggest ones to seem dangerous and Israel also likes to show them because it makes the threat appear much bigger than it is. E.g Sderot was hit with 5000 Qassam rockets leading to 10 casualties. It's not only because Israel's defense is good, the rockets aren't that good to begin with.
I'm curious about Hamas' choice in rockets though. Would larger rockets present as easier targets for the Iron Dome? If so, then the Iron Dome does indeed serve an important purpose by limiting Hamas to rockets small enough to be harmless to shelters. If not, then why would Hamas not use rockets large enough to penetrate a shelter?
Finally, let's assume the ineffectiveness of the Iron Dome was commonly known. Given the sharp increase in IDF casualties after the ground invasion started, would it still have made sense to invade if there was no fear that Israelis might lose confidence in the Iron Dome?
As many other posters have shown, the analysis is incorrect.
And Israel did in fact wait a while and just let them shoot. They escalated to a ground phase because of terror tunnels - missiles are a lower priority. You can tell because of where Israel is targeting during the ground phase - they have not gone deep into Gaza, but are staying right near the border where the tunnels start.
As an Israeli, I've always heard the Iron Dome rockets are stupid expensive to fire, so the IDF really only wants to fire them during scenarios that are high risk -- e.g., a rocket fired toward the Negev is much lower priority than a rocket fired at Tel Aviv.
On another note, I think that as programmers it's an interesting exercise to speculate as to the nature of the computer systems Iron Dome employs in order to mitigate attacks. AFAIK, Iron Dome rockets are only fired when high-value areas are targeted or there is a high probability of success. Can you imagine the kinds of online learning models we employ nowadays, being able to evaluate a set of inputs in <10s ? Even a complex Bayesian inference algorithm that could solve for a probable strike area in that short time with reasonable accuracy is incredible.
As colloquial evidence, a family member of mine recently posted a photo of Iron Dome intercepting a rocket almost directly over his home. So maybe it's not that accurate or that effective, but when it does work it's worth almost every dollar or shekel spent.
I was wondering how they deal with DDoS scenarios. Lets say the enemy just mixes genuine rockets with dummy one's and keeps firing. They could essentially create a scenario where a lot of Iron dome missiles can be wasted destroying dud rockets.
So what the system does is calculate the trajectory of the rocket to see if it will hit anything populated, only a small portion of them do.
If this is the case. Then in the presence of Iron dome, only impact those rockets have is in scaring away people.
It hardly makes any sense to fire a barrage of rockets in this case. A more optimal strategy is fire them a few at a time spread out over a period of time.
Either way Iron dome will still remain expensive.
I think that's the main cause of most of the civilian death - Israel doesn't have time to check for civilians in the area, they counter attack almost instantly.
So they'll launch a bunch while they can before they die.
I don't think you can really comprehend the level of hate going on there that would make someone suicide and take civilians with him for even a tiny chance of killing an Israeli.
The effort and risk involved in launching any kind of rocket is about the same...
If you can fire 10 rockets in the same cost as 1 genuine rocket. Then essentially the enemy can drag you into a war of attrition.
I'm not sure that's really true. Estimates range from $20,000 to $60,000 - that's cheap compared to the cost of a single hit on a building (which the Israeli government pays for). (And never even mind the human and economic costs.)
As curious analytical types, or as motivated participants in political debates about proper defense systems and policies, we'd like to know what's really going on, and sooner rather than later.
But note that in the "fog of war", confusion about what's really working and what isn't can be important. Lots of bad information will circulate, either due to natural misunderstandings or the calculated propaganda efforts of affected groups.
Maybe a myth of Iron Dome potency serves other purposes, covering for other tactics or shifting enemy behavior usefully. Or alternatively, maybe a myth of Iron Dome impotency and cost-ineffectiveness serves other purposes.
This of course makes contemporaneous democratic, open-society discussion of war a nearly-intractable task. It could be years (if ever) before outsiders and laypeople get a reasonable idea of what's really going on. This doesn't mean it's not worth discussing, just that confidence in any evidence or conclusions should be kept very, very low for quite a while.
While I also believe that a tool like the Iron Dome might be inefficient for it's pure militaristic purpose (it might have psychological purposes as well) the article is not much help in deciding whether this assumption is true or not, because the assumptions are already flawed.
Since the rocket is only intercepted when it's expected to teach a populated area, any change will be for the better.
Speaking as layman, it sounds plausible that a hit on the back would work while the target missile is ascending, but not when it's already descending towards the target.
Obviously I cannot tell how efficient Iron Dome is but they certainly have other effective tools at their disposal.
[1] http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9249866/Red_Alert_app...
Break even happens if a single missile would prevent a death 2% of the time. That excludes the psychological costs, property damage, and other possible negative results.
The US does spend money on the system, but that's because they want it themself, so they invested in it.
In general any money the US spends is earmarked for US companies, so it's a form of subsidy to US companies. The interceptors are made in Israel, so the US doesn't pay for them.
The US military does not use Iron Dome yet the $1 billion spent from DoD allocations so far on the system actually outweighs total Israeli spending.
In March an agreement was signed to increase US contractor participation in manufacture so that it becomes eligible for FMS funding.
The US solution to the same problem is C-RAM: http://www.msl.army.mil/Pages/C-RAM/default.html
That number doesn't make sense anyway - they built 9 batteries, 2 to 4 of which Israel did before the US got involved. Each costs 50 million. 5*50 million = 250 million which is approximately what the US actually spent (rather than talked about, or planned to, spend).
Hamas is going to make a Soviet Union. Like the SU back in Cold War times, Hamas doesn't realize they've entered a vicious money-spending circle they cannot win.
The only reason why Hamas isn't dead and bankrupt yet is that there is actual war going on and the population will support them until death.
I think they do.
From : http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/palestinian-...
"We’ll never go back to the slow death,Our demands are fair and they are humane. Our people have decided."
(Its a choice between getting blockaded for a long time and going down slowly) Vs (going down fighting).
Costs of a hit in populated area:
- Loss of life and productivity
- Hospitalization of injured
- Covering material damage - Large disruption of life
These easily cost 100k.