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Frame.io: A GitHub for Video

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OK...must..not let...autoplaying video...harshen critique...

So can the OP elaborate how this is the "Github" for video, rather than, the "YouTube for Video"? Because at a glance, from what's on the page...A "Dropbox for file sharing, Vimeo for video review, and Email for communication" is what I would consider YouTube to be (well, Youtube + Google+)...

A Github for Video would, in my mind, involve some kind of diffing thing...and a way for collaborators to do something like freely tinker with audio/video, all at once, and share and merge those iterations in some much easier, more harmonious way than just uploading clips to the cloud and annotating them, which you can already do with YouTube.

(also, the video on site, on the iPad, seems to be unresponsive to the replay button, which makes it hard to review the demoed details)

That said, this is definitely a cool thing to try out in theory. I'm especially interested in seeing how bandwidth issues are handled (or if a slight sacrifice in resolution and fidelity is the tradeoff...and if that tradeoff is even possible with the tastes of the intended audience)

You are right. The github part was for the tech community and only refers to version control videos, and EDLs, or Edit Decision Lists, to track changes in an edit. From version to version. Thanks for ending on a high note, most of our industry response has been wonderful

Why even target the tech community? This looks like a pure Hollywood play. I would stay away from Freemium-esque model here. I've worked with quite a few fashion companies and they'd eat this up...

Tech is my community as CTO, and this is one of the few examples on the web using the new Famo.us JS framework. Aside from that, everyone is creating video for marketing as professional quality video is more readily available to consumers. Thanks for the input on the Freemium model as well! We have heard both sides, and will be a tough call! :)

Autoplaying music = instant close

That is an excellent idea for a browser plug-in.

haha :)

Since the entire site is basically built around the demo, I think it's fine in this case, and improves the experience of seeing the demo.

you got it! it was hard to tell it was even a video, with out it!

Not true, as it's plain that the background is moving without the annoying music playing.

Autoplay music? No. Stop that.

So famo.us has got a pretty bad reputation, but it's actually a really good idea.

The code is actually really well written too, and I'm sure that any bugs it has.. vis a vis scrolling etc.. are not design faults. They can be fixed.

This is probably the best technical explanation I have seen of what famo.us actually is :

http://ibm.com/developerworks/library/wa-famous/index.html

Wrong thread? Or do you know something we don't about Frame.io's choice of interaction framework? :)

Yea looks like the title got edited. This Signup page is built in Famo.us

I don't get the hate famo.us gets on HN. But to be clear, their code isn't the best. Their code is quite janky in places and is very poorly documented (in the source and in the docs). I'm also pretty sure the bugs it has are design faults. All of this can be fixed, though, which is why I like to take a "wait and see" approach with famous.

While we're aware of some design issues that we're currently working on addressing, we'd still love to hear what you think are famo.us' current design flaws and how you think things should be implemented differently.

solid. good to see more upstart competition in the space. I'm founder of remarkhq.com

besides the autoplay bashing in here... lol, the site is pretty slick.

definitely wish you and the frame team the best of luck. I'm sure we'll meet again. :p

and just to troll a little: kudos on the 1k bot followers on Twitter...

Thanks! glad to see friendly competition! and no we launched yesterday, we do SNL digital short and have huge industry rep. Elijah wood even signed up.. No fakes yet :)

sign ups and name dropping are so totally last year. actively engaged is what counts. =p

http://imgur.com/7lWWrtU

My bad, got to get with the times ;) That looks like a happy user!

I'm reading in the comments that there's more on the page if you scroll. I'm using a laptop with no mouse and no scroll on the trackpad and neither Page Down nor Space nor the arrow keys work.

This unfortunately is a problem :( This was a demonstration of the new Famo.us framework and their scrollviews not not support bars yet!

It's also using the first release of famo.us, and there was a new major version since, and one incoming.

Full disclosure: I'm the CTO at Nimia.

At Nimia (https://app.nimia.com) we already provide all the basic features listed here. You can archive, share, transfer, preview, comment on collections of videos. Available right now, no waiting for an mvp release.

You can also privately license your work to clients, publish it to our marketplace, etc. We have tools to promote your individual brand and also have a whole host of collaboration tools that are in the pipeline.

Nice to meet you, I have seen many competitor companies take this opportunity to offer their services, they certainly exist! We are two years beyond MVP. Look forward to seeing you around!

Nice to meet you as well! It's definitely a great space with a lot of room for development.

Please, please, PLEASE don't automatically play audio upon the page load.

Serious question to the creators of frame.io: what makes you think that it's okay to do that?

I thought that was the case too. But it seems it actually starts on scroll.

That's only epsilon better. The only time that a web page should play music is if the user clicks on a button to start a video or play an audio clip. That's it. Period.

sorry, if the page was laggy and you initialized scroll, the pages scrolls to position and autoplays a video. It does not happen on load, lessons learned

Please reread my first comment. I've said nothing about the page being laggy. In fact, on my system, it didn't lag at all.

What makes you think it's okay to automatically play sound when the user starts scrolling? What were you thinking? That's not a sarcastic put-down. I would like to know what could have possibly been going on in your brain when you thought that this was anything but a horrible, off-putting design decision.

Oh ok.. I just fixed the volume to 25%

How about lowering it to zero?

Probably something along the lines of "if we put a play button and a video not many people click it so why not just play by default?"

I actually found the music and the video demo excellent! Great demo of your app.

The music was especially beautiful, I even looked it up. It's Planet Love by DJ Quicksilver in case anyone else liked it.

Don't let all these comments about auto-playing audio put you down. Great experience!

Well that was positive! Thank you! btw I turned it down to 25% in the last 10 minutes, I think it was at full blast before :)

Pretty slick video. The page is pretty buggy is some annoying ways. The chrome gesture for paging back doesn't work since I assume it's grabbing the mouse. When you page back or forwards to the page it reloads and it's white.

I didn't even know I could scroll down because holding the down button did nothing.

That said, I do agree the video is really nice, and it's been a while since I saw a promising approach to collaborative video editing.

> I didn't even know I could scroll down because holding the down button did nothing.

Wait, you can scroll down? There's no scrollbar, page-up/page-down/up/down do nothing, space does nothing. The site seems to be completely inaccessible to keyboard users.

The music is in the video, that autoplays on scroll completion. Sorry if it annoys you.

Unfortunately it is truly annoying and very loud. Maybe warn folks before they blast that out their speakers in the wee small hours.

yeah, brings back those myspace memories for me. the browser even became unusable as well - just like it used to, with those decked out myspace themes. (actually, it's amazing to think that IE survived some of those profiles.)

The video should play if the user prompts it. To be honest, it's not the video but more the music/sound which bothers (so maybe do what Facebook does and enable sound when user clicks or something?)

You can add a muted attribute to HTML5 video tags (muted or muted="muted") to autoplay the video without sound

most video advertisements start out with the volume muted, then you opt-in to hear the sound. that'd be my suggestion, at least

Pricing info would be nice. It will store and serve probably huge files, and multiple versions of them, meaning the storage and bandwith usage will quickly climb, and I suspect it is going to be expensive.

Demo looks incredible. Well done.

What sort of transcoding infrastructure are you using?

Rolling our own for wider support. We have a special in, in the industry, and will be supporting RAW camera formats like no other :)

So you're not even using ffmpeg? It's used by Dropbox and many others - https://tech.dropbox.com/2014/02/video-processing-at-dropbox...

I'd imagine that'll be the biggest bottleneck, especially if you intend to transcode raw video with data rates of > 1GB/minute

My bad, I thought you meant transcoding as a service. Yes we are building our own engine around ffmpeg. We have special components that stream Ycbcr from raw into ffmpeg

What awful design. The video in the background is nice but you don't need to take over my scroll wheel and you DEFINITELY don't need to blast a song at me without my permission.

Thanks for the input!

I thought the design was beautiful. Both the site and client.

Yeah, totally not cool to knock the design - it's damn sharp. (PS I'm from the competition Wipster, and I'm still saying that)

greatly appreciated James! :)

Nice video! Source: https://d2vj41uy1yy43g.cloudfront.net/empire_state.webm

Like this a lot. Well done. Heads up - collaborator is spelled wrong in your demo video (right hand side).

Thanks! foreign designer! :)

Looks like a great idea. But good luck implementing those iOS-style blurring effects in a real browser.

Caught us there. currently it is only an purple tinted overlay!

hrrrrmmmm? https://twitter.com/Frame_io/status/489843710918541312

Not efficient and only works in WebKit but -webkit-filter: blur(Npx) makes a nice effect

that will only blur an element, not the visible area underneath a translucent element. drpancake is referring to blurring the playing video is it scrolls underneath the title bar. this is pretty much impossible to do in HTML/CSS with moving content (video, gifs, etc), and only possible to do with static images by doing some very janky canvas hackery.

The site is incredibly laggy for me to the point where it's not usable.

Finally I heard my MPB's fan spinning...

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