A 5 Minute Intelligence Test for Kids
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Now, that's disappointing. Newsweek has a fascinating article there, but they missed the best part. Sure, a 5 minute test is interesting, and the correlations are too, but that is fascinating fact. Only 50% of the gifted students are gifted a year and a half later? That really makes you think. What about the other way around? How many students, not originally classified as gifted would be classified that way after a year or two? It also seems to help the claim that school dumbs you down.
Shurkin, Joel N. (1992). Terman's Kids: The Groundbreaking Study of How the Gifted Grow Up. Boston: Little, Brown.
An especially odd result of the Terman study is that Terman tested and rejected for inclusion in his study two children whose IQ scores were below his cut-off line who later went on to win Nobel prizes: William Shockley, who co-invented the transistor, and physicist Luis Alvarez. None of the children included in the study ever won a Nobel prize.
I think it is independently historically verifiable that both Alvarez and Shockley attended schools where Terman did testing for ascertainment for his longitudinal study. It is definitely historically verifiable that neither Nobel prize winner was included in the study--Shurkin had full access to the study data files.
See http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/05/18/090518fa_fact_... for an article on this test.
I was with you and agreeing with you until this line. By itself this article provides no evidence of that.
Now, if something like "And of those who did not yet attend school or where home schooled 90% of those classified as gifted in initial testing retained that classification 18 months later..." But it did not do that.
As it stands, this is much better evidence of how much and how rapidly brains can change at that age, but nothing more without further facts.
I do agree with your other points though, and think that that portion is well worth following up on.
http://www.dartmouth.edu/~chance/chance_news/recent_news/cha...
"In one 1932 study of children living in Virginia's Blue Ridge Mountains, the I.Q.s of 6-year-olds were "not much below the national average, but, by age 14, the children's I.Q.s had plummeted into the "mentally retarded range," with the degree of falloff directly related to the years of school the child had missed. Likewise, a study done in the 1980s shows that I.Q. scores for kids on summer vacation drop by a statistically significant amount, as compared to their I.Q. scores before vacation. Swedish psychologists found that finishing high school bumps up I.Q. by about 8 points over what it would be if the same child had dropped out after junior high. Likewise, an American research team found that every year of schooling increases I.Q. by about 3.5 points."
Believe me, this subject has been studied quite a bit.
But I think the concern about many school situations in the United States is that they are plainly unsuitable for gifted learners
http://www.accelerationinstitute.org/Nation_Deceived/
(however "gifted learners" are defined). Another concern about United States schools is that they appear to badly underperform compared to schools in many other places, for learners of all ability levels.
Concerns of these kinds have motivated hundreds of college-educated parents I know to choose to homeschool their children, to make sure the children aren't slowed down academically. Some seventeen-year-olds find it fun to study abstract algebra with the Artin textbook (through dual enrollment at the local university as a "twelfth grade" homeschooler) or algorithms with the Cormen textbook. The standard K-12 school curriculum doesn't fit all learners, and especially not the most able learners.
http://www.artofproblemsolving.com/Resources/AoPS_R_A_Calcul...
Conversely, I'm more interested by the kids who are "delayed" in their cortical development. Those are the kids that get shunted into remedial programs and stigmatized throughout their schooling. It's perhaps an undeserved regressive cycle rather than the progressive one in the case of gifted kids.
One thought I can't shake: Imagine a day where kids are sorted into classrooms, and subjects, based on the state of their brain development. Of course, there's a simplifying assumption in there that it's a passive process of cortical development. Still, we can do so much better than sorting kids based on age and IQ.
I can see how you might want to do that to pick out kids that are probably teachable, but the downside is that everyone else is penalized despite their current level. I know in college there were several times when I wasn't ready to be taught something, but a year or two later I was.
How could we do it better? The only option I can think of that would solve many problems adequately would be to fund all the students so they can seek out a teacher that is right for their level. Too bad that's a pipe dream.
Precocious.
The people who say that aren't talking about IQ.
School can dumb you down.
It seems that it can also smarten you up.
See:
hcz.org/our-results
And the book Whatever It Takes by Paul Tough.
He does have more praise for the curriculum of Baby College, but that is completely different.
I would hazard a guess that at 5, the kids who score high on these "IQ" tests correlates strongly to their environment at home. i.e., the ones with the most involved parents do best.
The child's mind is not properly developed yet, and the best way to continue to develop it is to challenge it at the fastest pace it can handle. That has nothing to do with intelligence. At all.
But, to be fair, it should help to identify the ones who can handle more intellectual stimulus now and then give it to them, wouldn't it?
I call baloney on this. I want to see the peer-reviewed publication that says so. This is the kind of mental test that Galton and James McKeen Cattell did a century ago, and those tests were found to have no valid correlation with intelligence.
http://norvig.com/experiment-design.html
This further paragraph in the submitted article provides better information:
"The team wanted to evaluate several intelligence tests, including their own. So they recruited 77 gifted children through the Parents’ Association for Gifted Children in Switzerland. A previous intelligence test, taken about a year-and-a-half previously, had won them entrance to gifted primary schools. So how many of the kids still classified as gifted just eighteen months later? Only half, no matter what test was used. (And that was using a relaxed cut-off line, to account for standard deviations in testing.)"
This is in accord with many findings by many researchers in many places over decades: preschool IQ tests have remarkably poor reliability for predicting subsequent school-age IQ scores. By the way, the Newsweek blogger's terminology is incorrect. Where Po Bronson wrote, "to account for standard deviations in testing," he should have written, "to account for standard error in estimation," which is a different concept. A "standard error" is something different from a "standard deviation."
The later paragraphs somewhat rescued this casual blog post, but I fear that most news reporting on IQ testing is at the level of excessive credulity found in the earlier paragraphs. It takes time and effort to read and understand the better published literature on IQ testing
http://learninfreedom.org/iqbooks.html
and alas many journalists don't bother to make that effort. Even less do most bloggers bother to check their facts on this contentious issue before posting.
You are arguing against the statement without the word "scores" in it. That's not the same statement. The statement as it was made is correct, and there's no need for a study to be cited; this is the study being cited.
Note how the authors go on to point out that if this simple test has a 99% correlation with the complicated test, then, logically, they are effectively the same test, and if you can't believe that line sorting is an adequate intelligence indicator, than neither are the conventional tests.
Slow down with the shooting-from-the-hip there; this entire article is all about how bad tests are for determining intelligence, if you actually read it. It's not just the "later paragraphs".
I agree with you that the overall tenor of the blog post is skepticism about early childhood IQ tests, but I am additionally skeptical of the Swiss test-giver's claim that his sensory perception test correlates well with IQ scores of children at the same age. That's just his claim so far. The blog post doesn't include anyone "showing the work" to show that that is replicable result. It would be a very strange result, actually, inconsistent with results that have been replicated many times (as mentioned in a scientific publication I linked to in another reply in this rapidly growing thread).
http://www.personalityresearch.org/acton/sense.html
But, yes, even if the quick-and-dirty test correlates very well with preschool IQ tests, that doesn't mean much, because preschool IQ tests--all of them--correlate poorly with anything of interest, including subsequent IQ scores, that shows up at school age.
http://psycnet.apa.org/index.cfm?fa=search.displayRecord&...
> Paired sample t-tests showed that children diagnosed as gifted in this study (N = 44) achieved equal scores on the HAWIK-IV (M = 126.9, SD = 7.1) and the IDS (M = 128.9, SD = 8.2), t(43) = –1.30, p = .20. Average nongifted children (N = 69) scored equal as well on the HAWIK-IV (M = 101.2, SD = 8.5) and the IDS (M = 99.86, SD = 0.03), t(68) = 1.42, p = .16.
(IDS is this new line/weight-based test, the HAWIK-IV the usual IQ battery.)
I appreciate the references. I'm still doubtful that the general finding would be that the five-minute test would be strongly correlated with full scale child IQ batteries, e.g. the WPPSI. The way to find out would be for other groups of test-givers to attempt to replicate the result.
Piaget identified a number of intellectual stages that children go through at fairly predictable ages. Children transition between them during growth spurts. There is variance in when the growth spurts happen, and therefore when those mental leaps happen.
Most children transition from the "intuitive" to the "concrete operation" stages around age 7. Concrete operations include tasks like ordering objects in a logical sequence. This is EXACTLY what the "5 minute IQ test" is testing. The longer test is almost certainly testing a variety of different mental skills that are also enabled by the same transition. Hence the strong correlation.
Furthermore someone who is "gifted" at age 6 on a test like this almost certainly is gifted because he or she hit that growth spurt early. A year and a half later more kids have gone through the same transition, and having acquired those mental skills early hasn't necessarily translated into acquiring them better. That would explain why so many once-gifted kids aren't gifted 18 months later. (Of course the additional time with those skills does help, explaining the fact that many still are gifted relative to their peers.)
In short the results should be unsurprising to anyone who has studied child development.
However I stand by my claim that Piaget's work provides a framework to understand why a young child's ability at one task (sorting lines by length and objects by weight) is indicative of a much broader range of cognitive skills. Furthermore the fact that cognitive abilities go through periods of rapid advance over a broad range of areas makes it less surprising to me that you see fairly large shifts in where children stand relative to each other in ability.
Slightly OT:
I had hoped that our current economic situation would help obliterate the myth that our best and brightest work on Wall St., but apparently we still have some convincing to do.
A good intelligence test will predict which children will grow up to be doctors and engineers. If you want to find the future financiers, you should put them all in a room and see which kids start bullying the others.
IMO, the bigger issue is that we expect all children to be at the same learning development stage at any given point in their life and to respond equally to a given teaching approach. So, all 5 year olds get lumped into a particular curriculum, and then as 6 year olds move as a group to the next stage. Actually, I think the schools don't REALLY expect that,they just don't care to figure out a better approach.
Something is definitely fishy about this article. Line testing has a R of 0.99 with intelligence tests but intelligence tests themselves have a poor correlation after 18 months. Does that mean line tests are still 0.99 correlated after 18 months? It's hard to see a plausible explanation that fits this data.
http://psycnet.apa.org/index.cfm?fa=search.displayRecord&...
I see the abstract, but the full text is behind a pay wall for me. I'm very doubtful about the reported result being generalizable.
This was Francis Galton's theory of intelligence more than a century ago, but repeated studies have shown that sensory discrimination is very poorly correlated with anything that can properly be called "intelligence" among adult test-takers.
I suppose there could be physical issues, like poor vision or tactile sensitivity that would affect a test like this. So I wonder, perhaps people who can see better are more likely to be smarter simply because they can observe more items in the world.
"The scale, properly speaking, does not permit the measure of intelligence, because intellectual qualities are not superposable, and therefore cannot be measured as linear surfaces are measured." -Alfred Binet, 1905
More recent authors who criticize the mainstream psychometric concept of intelligence (operationalized as IQ scores) include Keith Stanovich.
http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/stanovich1
http://yalepress.yale.edu/yupbooks/book.asp?isbn=97803001238...
Citation needed.
What if you just hold the cars facing each other so the lines are just short of touching? Then you can see the lines pretty much side-by-side.
Yes, I am smarter than a fifth grader.
Or if you could get a good shadow you may be able to do it with just one other card with the 2 comparison cards aligned and the shadow card tilting down.
Edit: Or just use table corner. 2 cards along edge and line drawing card on other edge.
Shenanigans.
"the two tests have a 99% correlation"
"they recruited 77 gifted children through"
[yes, it could be a rounding error]