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"The problem I'm having is the ambiguity of the feedback. For example, on the first strike you just said "Universal Music" said I used one of their tunes. The set started with an Ellie Golding song which I thought was the problem. So I removed that and re-uploaded. It was then taken down again. You're not even telling me which songs are infringing."
That is infuriating. He is trying to oblige to the request to remove a copyrighted song, but Universal isn't even telling him how he is in violation.
So his problem is he doesn't know which song(s) is/are infringing? Take your tracklisting and check it against discogs.com or some other music publishing database, and see which songs were published by Universal Music. Maybe 30 minutes of work for a 1 hour show, tops. The responsibility to check clearances does lie with the person who wants to use a copyrighted work.
Edit: I realize this is an unpopular view, but if you're downvoting I invite you to spell out what you think is wrong about it. Every magazine/website/course aimed at budding record producers/DJs/musicians provides coverage of copyright and licensing issues, to help their readership collect what is owed to them as much as to avoid infringement. There is no way you can be an aspiring or actual professional in the music industry for any significant length of time and not be aware of your basic obligations in this area.
It is not acceptable to mistreat someone because they are doing 'something' wrong.
I agree it's distasteful, but given that Greg seems to be well-established professionally there's no way he doesn't know this. It's rather absurd to see him accusing SoundCloud of 'stealing' his subscription fee - ie complaining about the loss of his property interest in his SC account - while at the same time thinking he can help himself to all the raw material, ie other people's published music.
Yes, it's unfair that broadcast radio stations get all their music for free by default, while internet DJs don't, legally. They get that because they banded together and negotiated for those rights. That's the solution: collaborate with other internet radio DJs and draft a blanket license agreement for noncommercial reproduction, then shop it to labels.
Germany has mandatory licensing for broadcast through GEMA.
Here's a good Techdirt article about GEMA (and regular readers will know I usually find TD a deplorable source due to poor reportage, but this is an exception): https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130425/17042522839/how-g...
Was flagged for my own original music NOT on a remix or anything that contained samples but an original jam I made with some classic Roland hardware; Roland SH-101, TR-909, and TR-606! Seems the algorithm they use to flag has many flaws and is automated with no one at the wheel to look at individual cases.
Not sure where soundcloud is going with this, because I pay for the service and replied to them to fix and have heard nothing in over a month.
Moved my song over to mixcloud. I am creating a music app for musicians called Memory Echo if anyone is interested in working together on something different but similar for musicians that are not signed.
Knew this day would come just didn't know when.
Cheers! Electronic Sleep
I feel like they would have avoided a lot of negativity if they gave users a time window to verify before removal.
One of my initial takeaways from this development is that while Soulection may not have come to exist without Soundcloud, the "next Soulection" will almost certainly take root anywhere but Soundcloud.
It's a shame.
http://www.mixcloud.com/soulection/
..if any HNers enjoy these tunes, the live show is every Saturday at 10am pst on rinse.fm.
https://twitter.com/J0EKAY/status/484097294598275072
And even if hip hop/trap/neo-soul/etc aren't your style, if you're into any electronic music at all there's probably something for you on Rinse.fm (unfortunately they're more an internet radio station than a platform like Soundcloud, not exactly apples to apples from a user perspective).
http://www.theguardian.com/music/2011/aug/27/rinse-fm-geeneu...
Real Pirate radio for the last twenty years.
Now I get that it sucks that you don't get explicit explanations of what infringed, and I worry hugely about their power to supress content that they actually do not own, but:
1. Stop pretending that you should get a free ride because you're promoting the artist. If you actually give a shit, discover and promote new music from awesome bands that are not beholden to the labels. That's the only way to break the stranglehold.
2. Don't rage at the service that provides a great product to producers of real, original content, just because you've repurposed the platform to promote your infringing mix.
However, the problems are three-fold:
1) Lack of information. It looks like the new automated process provides no clues on what the infringing content was/is.
2) Lack of appeals process.
3) The fact that previously rolled out systems that have allowed major labels this sort of access to services (primarily YouTube) have been subject to abuse by the labels, taking down content that was original, and there has been no indication given that this won't happen here.
This. If you get a promo from an artist, ask them, "Is this under copyright with a label? Sorry, in that case I can't play it."
There are better ways to stick it to the man.
So it is something special, and I hate to see them mucking around with it ...
These companies do not care about due process, they care about the bottom line of making a dollar at the end of the day. Soundcloud determined it is much less expensive for them to go this route than be sued by Universal. Every company follows this practice as for they are serving their best interest.
As a consumer your hope is that their best interest and your best interest share the inside of a Venn diagram.
Which is sad, because Soundcloud would win in court, as they'd have no problem proving that the site doesn't exist primarily to help its users infringe copyrights owned by Universal.
Unfortunately for soundcloud, aren't they killing their main userbase? DJ's mixing mainstream songs.
I thought the same thing at first, but the users that are linked to are all big, big names that get millions of plays on Soundcloud that will never get takedowns, whether they have clearances or not. It's more like saying "why are you hassling me for my $10 unpaid fine when you don't care about these corporations' $100,000 unpaid fines" than it is about narcing on the competition.
I learned that the hard way in 2001 when the IFPI went after my links (yes, only links) to then popular sites like mp3board.com and others - while the biggest news portal in the country had exactly the same links and weren't prosecuted at all.
It is possible that it was an "offer you can't refuse" type thing. I doubt they'd do it voluntarily.
Well Youtube has advertisements, and soundcloud doesn't. Someone is still paying for you to get that information, it's just not you, on youtube. I do agree that their interface has gotten worse, though. Especially for tracking.
See U.S. licensing rules: http://support.mixcloud.com/customer/portal/articles/1595564
This is embarassing. I use a number of payed accounts, with original content only, but sometimes you should rethink whom you give your money, and if you still can trust them. I don't want any major label - and nobody - to shoot me in the back out of nowhere.
I'm German, the SC offices are two streets from where I sit now. I have some doubt if their Terms apply to German law in all the details. Unfortunately, I'm no lawyer.
Slacker is internet radio I think and more run of the mill so not sure for that one.
Yes, it is.
None of these things they're declaring gives them the ability to track who you are, or correlate it to what you're doing.
Kappa.
"SoundCloud seems to have given Universal the keys to the car within the last month, and is allowing the media giant full access to flag accounts’ records without any communication whatsoever with SoundCloud. "
Btw, stories can't have both urls and text, so your submission text was lost. We're going to fix that so a message comes up when users do it.
Will think about this and maybe look at relevant historical data.
Get a license or use something else. And don't complain that they're being "unfair" by taking your stuff down and not telling you what infringed. If you didn't upload/sample/perform other people's stuff, you wouldn't need to worry about what songs were infringing.
Get your samples cleared. After having to get written permission from Twitter, Facebook, Amazon, and other services to use screenshots of their web pages in my books, this doesn't surprise me in the least. Fair use is a defense, not a right.
There's a big difference between "how it should be" and "how it actually is."
But I was DJing at a place that didn't have one. Employer got sued and had to pay up.
1976 copyright act says "no public performance." This is actually what they cited in the Aereo case too.
This is without passing comment on whether copyright infringement is terrorism or freedom fighting.
Sure you can. "Fair use" is the most common example of that, but you don't need to make a fair use defense in order to find examples of people profiting off of others' copyrighted works legitimately.
In fact, it should be noted that a lot of famous songs you probably know are themselves based on copyrighted works. Coolio's "Gansta's Paradise"[0] and Kanye West's "Stronger"[1] are very famous examples. Not all samples are licensed - it's very common to use unlicensed samples, even in music released by major studios.
I don't know which artists are with which labels off the top of my head, but I'd bet anything Universal is profiting off of unlicensed samples for some of their artists. Many (most?) Soundcloud users, on the other hand, aren't making a single cent off of the music they post.
[0] samples large parts of "Pastime Paradise" by Stevie Wonder
[1] samples Daft Punk, but this was actually itself sampled Edwin Birdsong's "Cola Bottle Baby"
Didn't get it cleared.
Got a C&D and my website got taken down.
I'm not saying it's right. I'm saying that if you don't clear your samples, and you're a little guy, this will happen. Don't be surprised when it does.