Six Months After Legalizing Marijuana, Two Big Things Have Happened in Colorado
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First, this is very noisy data to make any predictions from. (I guess it's a good thing to have so few murders that it's hard to make generalizations.) March 2014 alone had 5 murders compared to three last year.
Second, this isn't a 52.9% drop, even if you exclude May, which makes the drop from 17 to 9. It's a 47.1% drop.
This is a very low quality article.
But linking to data for 5 months and then only using the 4 you want to use to skew numbers seems pretty ridiculous to me.
And then in the same page there's data for drug/narcotics violations which isn't even mentioned because it is going up (21% more) even though there are supposedly plummeting marijuana convictions. Also they stated that the crime rate in Denver is going down, yet the data shows the exact opposite.
Whole article seems like cherrypicking at its finest.
One of the arguments against legalization is that once marijuana is legal, we would see a significant _increase_ in crime.[1] So a __statistically__ insignificant result is not a __politically__ insignificant result.
1: From TFA: ""Expect more crime, more kids using marijuana and pot for sale everywhere," said Douglas County Sheriff David Weaver in 2012."
But really, there's been no change in how people act. The people that have always smoked it (hippies in the park and normal people at home) are still smoking it, and the people that don't smoke (myself included) still don't smoke.
So no lifestyle changes for the majority of the people in the state (except the people that get jobs now thanks to the legit industry and hopefully some lives saved by quality controlling the stuff) AND we get all the benefits.
Let's go national with this thing.
[1] http://www.dailycamera.com/News/ci_26064136/Boulder-councilm...
Besides, Boulder has been hostile to recreational marijuana. Denver had retail shops open on the 1st of January...it took until March or April for multiple shops to open. I doubt a couple months of legal weed has spiked the population.
Boulder, like San Francisco and Seattle, has always had a significant homeless population. The big change I've seen in Boulder is Conservatism and intolerance. Take Patti Adler, for example.
The only difference I notice is a small amount more of public smoking, but it could be my imagination.
So now tourists ask us where the best places to hike & get weed are.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1waFpYd7jK9nUcb1VbPOL...
It's based on the raw data here:
http://www.denvergov.org/Portals/720/documents/statistics/20... http://www.denvergov.org/Portals/720/documents/statistics/20... http://www.denvergov.org/Portals/720/documents/statistics/20...
Personally, I can't see any noticeable effect on crime except that drug violations and crimes against persons seem to be up this year. Or maybe I just didn't do a great job on the chart?
I think it's probably a stretch to link these two things together...
Also, it sounds like the government is already writing checks based on "predicted" income levels 4x what they are today.
I think legalization is a good idea but I wish people would give things a couple years before drawing meaningful conclusions from the data.
But surely there have been downsides, too, even if they're not the ones that fear-mongerers predicted. Can anyone in Colorado speak to what those are?
But seriously, I live and work in Downtown Denver and have seen no change for the worse, and frankly haven't heard any evidence that any of the assumed negative effects (ie: increase usage among teens and youth) have happened. Denver is one happy (and healthy) city.
Legalization is a no brainer that is simply being held up nationwide due to outdated moral inertia.
Something is a bit off here.
Sure, but you can still have a pretty bad time if you take too much and/or are very sensitive. It's known to cause tachycardia in some people, which is not something to be taken lightly.
People, especially those of retirement age, tend to ignore the serving size for aspirin, to the point of 30k deaths per year.
THC is still rolling with a zero body count.
The patriarchy cannot save us from our own ignorance.
Again, zero body count but tons of fear about something people have been doing since there were people.
Oh, and regulations mandate all edibles be served in child-resistant packaging.
Second there is a big fear of increased DUI. The framework for legalization required that there be a penalty for DUI, which has been pegged at 5 nanograms of THC per millimeter of blood. This has its own problem, primarily that somebody who is no longer under the influence can still test positive if they are a heavy user. Officers need better tools at their disposal to determine if a driver is actually a danger while driving. This seems no different than legal pills that people also drive while under the influence. This might be a technology problem since there is no way to tell if a person is under the influence of cannabis.
The third big fear is that organized criminal elements will be attracted to the legal market in an attempt to launder their black market sales. There was a big bust of legal grows and dispensaries earlier this year which was supposedly related to cartel sales out of Miami. This seems like the real reason the DEA should be involved in cannabis legalization. So they can determine who is playing by the rules and who is trying to subvert them.
Without much quantitative data, the qualitative affects of legalization seem to have a positive impact on people's lives and the general communities around Denver in my personal opinion.
I absolutely am not suggesting kids should be allowed pot, just that I think the hysteria is overstated.
E.g., earlier onset of psychosis symptoms, etc.
What I'd really like to see if related crime has dropped or increased - such as DUI, Theft, Assault, etc.
--Edit-- Thanks all for pointing out the piece I skimmed over :) ...However I am still very curious to smaller offenses and misdemeanors. It will be years before we see good statistics, but those elements will be politically crucial in pushing for wider adoption.
> According to government data, the Denver city- and
> county-wide murder rate has dropped 52.9% since recreational
> marijuana use was legalized in January. This is compared
> to the same period last year, a time frame encompassing Jan. 1
> through April 30.edit - though I agree that the data isn't good enough to really support any conclusions yet. That would take about ten years and several different cities.
I don't know why anyone thought this was a good enough article to upvote. Someone out there is working on a good article about the effects of legalization on crime rates. This isn't it.
This was the second paragraph of the crime section.
http://www.denvergov.org/Portals/720/documents/statistics/20...
If you can't find a statistic to cherry pick for your argument in a list of 36 you have a very bad argument.
• Arson has doubled since legalization! Bunch of flaming stoners.
• Embezzlement is down 88%! Who knew this was all society needed to fortify people's fiduciary responsibilities.
How much more severe was this winter compared to last year?
According to government data, the Denver city- and county-wide murder rate has dropped 52.9% since recreational marijuana use was legalized in January. This is compared to the same period last year, a time frame encompassing Jan. 1 through April 30.
Crimes against persons: up about 24%
Crimes against property: down about 10%
Crimes against society: up about 23% which includes narcotics crimes up by 21%
All other crimes: up over 150%
No one should be trying to read data out of this noise, but if you are, it's not looking good for any legalization argument.
Those two categories plus a similar growth buried in "All Other Offenses" accounts for essentially all of the growth in reported crimes.
There is probably a story there somewhere.
I think this is a more important point than either you or the author realize. Yes it seems obvious, but was it worth calling marijuana users criminals in the first place? If you stop arresting all these people, and negative side effects don't increase, why were they getting arrested to begin with? Getting arrested is a huge deal and impacts your future job prospects, not to mention the short term aspects of possibly being jailed, etc. If that all happens before legalization, but not after legalization, can we really justify the seemingly arbitrary consequences in these people's lives? All other things being equal, getting a bunch of people arrested and calling them criminals is not necessarily better than leaving them be and calling them normal.
Here are some things to consider:
1) Only the revenue is really important to the politicians - there has been virtually no talk about using the money for rehabilitation programs, and only a little talk about using the money for drug education. So far the only tangible outcome I've heard was a proposed $3 million to be used to hire ~100 government personnel to handle administrative tasks related to marijuana sales and regulation. Given the fights that we see among politicians when it comes to spending other sources of revenue, I don't see it being any easier to get this new revenue spent appropriately either.
2) Correlation vs Causation re: lower crime. Who's to say it's not due to the beautiful sunny spring and summer that we have here in CO or the fact that it kept snowing in the mountains longer this year so people skied more? The one thing I have observed is that legalizing marijuana didn't convert a lot of non-users into users so at first blush it does not appear that legalizing marijuana has turned the state into a bunch of potheads (although I tire of hearing things like "Denver is the Silicon Valley of weed").
3) Because there's still no good research out on the effects (long, short, casual use) of marijuana (THC specifically) there is a lot of concern over the substantial increase in the amount of edibles, elixirs, and other marijuana infused products which can be purchased that are not well regulated or identified. The same argument can be made for the vapor/e-cig industry. Clearly identifying how much THC a product contains and what affect that will have on a person is much needed and should hopefully come about from the bills that Hickenlooper signed into law in May.
As others have said the reason you aren't hearing any news from Seattle/DC is because they do not have everything in place to allow stores to open up. Colorado moved quickly to both decriminalize as well as create regulations, tax structure, etc., which the other states have not done yet. Many states are watching CO to see how this plays out and based upon the revenue figures that are being released as long as there isn't a significant increase in directly correlated crime, I don't think the politicians will be able to turn down the money in the long run.
It will be interesting to see what happens with this vote. The marijuana debate is in a completely different place than it was 16 years ago when Congress blocked the counting of the votes for medical marijuana in D.C., but I could still see them interfering with the vote again.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ef/Washingto...
Yes, all DC Council legislation is subject to Congressional review before it becomes law. (Government of the capital district is a Congressional power under Article I of the Constitution.)
Well, okay then.
One useful quote from there is not to get euphoric over revenue figures - first few months "people are not buying marijuana, people are buying freedom". A variety of things, such as novelty effect, natural curiosity and even social currency accumulation (people who live in Colorado/Washington brag to their friends outside of those states) motivate the first purchases, you have to look at longer timeline to properly extrapolate the expected sales.
Think of the "buying freedom" bump as the bump that happens when a new restaurant opens. A lot of people buying pot for the first time (or the first time in a long time) probably don't really care about pot that much. Not enough to break the law to buy it. It's just fun to try something new.
Replacing "Pot" with "Norwegian Cuisine" is maybe a useful exercise. I'm in the group that doesn't care much about either (from the consumer standpoint). I wouldn't break the law to smoke pot, nor would I break the law to eat Norwegian food. But if either was suddenly legalized, of course I'd go try them out a few times, why not?
BTW, prior to legalization, there were more Medical Marijuana dispensaries in Boulder than coffee shops.
They need to also compare with demographically similar cities and counties that did not legalize marijuana. Crime is often heavily influenced by national or broad regional factors. You have to identify and account for this when trying to figure out how much of an affect a local factor (such as marijuana legalization in your state) had.
Not to mention that'd you'd be putting tens of thousands of people out of a job if you tried to "crack down" on one of the fastest growing industries in the country (where it's legal). Job creators.
Subject to the applicable statutes of limitations, as long as the federal laws are on the books, yes, people who committed offenses at a time when the those offenses were not prosecutorial priorities of the executive branch could be charged when the prosecutorial priorities of the executive branch change. That's sort of the key distinction between "prosecutorial priorities" and "laws".
The only thing that stopped the dispensary raids on California dispensaries was discretion. The law hasn't changed substantially enough that what they're doing is still considered kosher to the federal government.
As it stands, the next president, whatever his party, could simply decide to resume those raids, and would be perfectly within their statutory purview to do.
That said, I agree with the assertion that it is a states' rights issue, but SCOTUS precedent extends the power of the Interstate Commerce Clause to include much more than this, so according to current precedent, states rights only exist where the federal government expressly abdicates making a policy decision, which isn't something our federal government is terribly good at doing.
Probably a repeat of how Obama handled things.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/25/obama-marijuana-rai...
graff graff.
The people get addicted anyway, but now the money needed to cure them goes where it can help and not to the mob.