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It's even worse than that... I live in Illinois, a state where there are not statewide quotas... however:

The cities have the ability to add extra licensure requirements, so quotas can and do exist at the city level. Further, there are strange rules about entry to taverns - for example age of entry need not be legal drinking age which differ by city. There are also city or even smaller administrative district rule over what can be sold, pricing rules (e.g. near the college campus there is a rule about the minimum price of a drink special that doesn't apply to a lot of other parts of town) and so on.

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Regarding the age of entry, I recently walked past a bar in Chicago with a posted minimum age of 23. This struck me as odd (and somewhat offensive). I did a few searches, but had trouble locating any relevant information. Do you happen to know if the legislation provides insight into this sort of practice?

That strikes me as illegal age discrimination...

I am pretty sure age is only a protected class over fifty-five (somewhere around there). People can legally discriminate against young people.

Fascinating. Looks like it's 40+. http://www.eeoc.gov/laws/types/age.cfm

That appears to be with regard to employment discrimination. I wouldn't be surprised if there were slightly different standards for serving customers, etc.

I don't think there is any prohibition on age discrimination for public accommodations. Title II of the Civil Rights Act forbids discrimination on the basis of race, color, religion or national origin and Title II of the Americans with Disabilities Act covers discrimination on the basis of disabilities, but there doesn't seem to be anything preventing public accommodations from discriminating based on age. The Age Discrimination in Employment Act, which is what prohibits employers from discriminating based on age, doesn't contain anything about public accommodations.

Lets take alcohol away from everybody that claims Social Security!!!

I know of quite a few places in Chicago with a mid-20's minimum age. To my knowledge it has nothing to do with any legal requirements but is based on the idea that slightly older people are less rowdy/better able to handle their drinks.

When I was 21/22 I rarely had a problem getting passed the bouncers in places with the higher age limits because "you don't look like you're going to do anything stupid"

Legality aside, because I don't doubt it is legal, something about the deliberate act of posting an age makes me deeply uncomfortable.

What I don't quite understand is they can turn away anyone for any [non-protected] reason already. What could be the thought process behind posting this? Especially when the establishment is unlikely to enforce it, as you noted.

As an establishment, feel free to turn away a large, intoxicated group. Similarly, it is your right and responsibility to avoid over-serving. And furthermore, you may choose to establish whatever ambiance you choose through your decor, music, lighting, and even pricing. Between these things, you can maintain the atmosphere and attract the customer base you desire.

I think it just makes things easier. Sure people over 25 are still capable of causing problems, but I’d bet they are much less likely to be trouble and much more likely to politely leave when told they are. It also makes things much easier at the door. If a group of college kids decide to show up one night it’s much easier to say “can’t let you in, too young [and I don’t make the rules]” than “won’t let you in, I don’t want to have to kick you out.” It lets the bouncer deflect the decision and appeal to an authority that’s not in the conversation.

It may be a college thing, they want to prevent college students and/or handed-down fake IDs from college students.

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