Mark Zuckerberg and his wife to donate $120M to needy Bay Area schools
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http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2014/05/19/140519fa_fact_...
It gives me more appreciation for Bill Gate's approach, which seems much more cautious, albeit slow.
Not really. This is what American Capitalism is known as around the world. In oil and gas you know to sell your shares and not work for a firm that gets an American CEO because everything the article talks about happens without fail within the first three years.
The short and simple of it is that Americans businesses just plain have no morals and everyone expects to be screwed over by them.
>It gives me more appreciation for Bill Gate's approach
Is just as bad as everyone else.
Remember that amazing mosquito zapper he demoed 4 years ago[1]? Turns out the reason you haven't heard anything more about it is because he hired his patent troll friends over at Intellectual Ventures to do it for him [2]. Since they own the patents for it no one else can develop it and they aren't cross licensing, kind of obvious for a patent troll. Since they are a patent troll they aren't doing anything but holding the intellectual property and not producing any units.
So all in all, it's just another green washing bullshit fest as are most of his other investments in the region.
[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwyMuwNYKvI
[2] http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB123680870885500701?mg=...
Watching plan after plan crash and burn with them blaming the poor is like a getting a time machine ride to 1860's Britain trying to deal with the massive dislocations of the industrial economy without doing the one sane thing they could have done: massive government intervention in the economy to slow down the worst effects of industrialization.
If a system fails every time it is tried in the exact same way what you're looking at isn't a bug but a feature.
This was, to me, the most interesting part of your comment. Do you have any references to Intellectual Ventures refusing to license this particular technology? If so, it certainly paints the whole program in a different light.
I guess inner city schools probably are in need of money and improving facilities but for many others more money is not a solution.
My math teacher, however, handed out the same tattered calculus books students had been using since the 1980's and forbid the use of calculators on all tests or exams. We learned math by proving theorems and solving word problems involving few, if any, numbers. I went on to study math in university and freshman honors calculus was a cakewalk compared to Mr. Sidhu's twelfth grade calculus and vectors class and his 30 year old textbooks.
I fail to see how any amount of money could improve education unless it's spent on hiring better teachers (which the unions would never allow). You really don't need much besides a chalkboard, a copier, and a high-quality, engaged teacher.
Started college in America with a better calculus background than most of my engineering peers.
The reason that schools can spend a lot of money on flashy projects when regular, annual needs are not being met is because it's often much easier to fund flashy new projects. School districts can fund technology purchases through bond measures or through grants, but funders are unlikely to be interested in paying money for everyday non-flashy things like cafeterias. It's entirely possible to get grant money that's specifically earmarked for one particular project and also have longstanding needs that aren't being met.
Even here in Iceland, where we are really not doing too great on the PISA exams (and getting steadily worse - so it's hard to say the problem is lack of technology), and there is not sufficient funding for schools, you have people calling for "modernisation" of the school system which always involves spending inordinate amounts of money on giving iPads to students.
This is at the same time as competent teachers are moving jobs in droves as they get paid shit, and only the bad ones who can't get jobs elsewhere remain.
I just don't understand these priorities.
relevant excerpt:
“Is this a vision of what shall be, or of what might be only?” Well, a visionaries as diverse as Martin Luther King, Richard Nixon and Milton Friedman have proposed something called a Basic Income Guarantee. When society becomes so advanced that it produces more than enough for everybody – but also so advanced that most individuals below genius level have little to contribute and no way of earning money – everyone should get a yearly salary just for existing. Think welfare, except that it goes to everybody, there’s no stigma, and it’s more than enough to live on. This titanic promise has run up against a giant iceberg with BUT HOW WOULD WE PAY FOR IT written in big red letters on the front. If we cancelled all existing welfare and entitlement programs – which makes sense if we’re giving everyone enough money to live comfortably on, we would only free up enough money together for a universal income of $5,800. I don’t know if you can live on that, but I’d hate to have to try.
But we’ve gotten off track. We were counting the benefits of formal education. We did not do so well in trying to prove that it left you more knowledgeable, but it did seem like it had some practical value in getting you a little bit more money. With your shiny college degree, you can confidently assert “I’ve got mine”, just as long as you take care not to notice the increasingly distant hordes of manual laborers or the statistics showing that the yours you’ve got is less and less every year.
What of the costs of education? What have you lost out on?
Well, first about twenty thousand hours of your youth. That’s okay. You weren’t using that golden time of perfect health and halcyon memories when you had more true capacity for creativity and imagination and happiness than you ever will again anyway. If you hadn’t had your teachers to tell you that you needed to be making a collage showing your feelings about The Scarlet Letter, you probably would have wasted your childhood seeing a world in a grain of sand or Heaven in a wild flower or something dumb like that.
I’m more interested in the financial side of it. At $11,000 average per pupil spending per year times thirteen years plus various preschool and college subsidies, the government spends $155,000 on the kindergarten-through-college education of the average American.
Inspired by a tweet: what if the government had taken this figure (adjusted for inflation) and invested it in the stock market at the moment of your birth? Today when you graduate college, they remove it from the stock market, put it in a low-risk bond, put a certain percent of the interest from that bond into keeping up with inflation, and hand you the rest each year as a basic income guarantee. How much would you have?
And I calculate that the answer would be $15,000 a year, adjusted for interest. We can add the $5,800 basic income guarantee we could already afford onto that for about $20,000 a year, for everyone. Black, white, man, woman, employed, unemployed, abled, disabled, rich, poor. Welcome to the real world, it’s dangerous to go alone, take this. What, you thought we were going to throw you out to sink or swim in a world where if you die you die in real life? Come on, we’re not that cruel.
So when we ask whether your education is worth it, we have to compare what you got – an education that puts you one grade level above the uneducated and which has informed 3.3% of you who Euclid is – to what you could have gotten. 20,000 hours of your youth to play, study, learn to play the violin, whatever. And $20,000 a year, sweat-free.
The US is an illusion.
Because:
- Obama is a socialist
- Trickle-down economics is the only thing that works
- Taxing wealth is hating the rich (so basically being a nazi)
- Taxing the wealthy doesn't give them a tax cut like donating money to schools or charities does
- Because taxing job creators just encourages the moochers and takers
(Rinse and repeat ad nauseam until it becomes a way of life)
By the way, nobody has to wait for billionaires anywhere, if you want to help out in education, get up and do it.
That is so obviously not the point. Education needs a bunch of investment in teachers, buildings and equipment, and your volunteering is going to make minimal difference to that.
Anyways, you can also donate money to a educational institution yourself.
The reason money from billionaires is interesting is because it's less limited by the regulations. It can be spent in ways public money cannot be used. It didn't work in Newark though, as others in the thread pointed out.
[1] http://www.oecd.org/education/skills-beyond-school/48630868....
http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=66
Also, per student spending is substantially evened out in some areas. For example, every public school in NYC has the same per student spending. More importantly, there is almost no correlation between per student spending and educational outcomes. Some of the states with the worst performing public schools also have higher spending. Moreover, many of the states that have higher revenue and higher public school spending also have higher costs of living. If you take the 5 highest and 5 lowest ranked US state public school systems and adjust their spending by the relative cost of living then order them from highest to lowest you end up with this list: 5th, 47th, 49th, 48th, 4th, 50th, 46th, 2nd, 1st. Spending is an easy issue to focus on, but it's not the right issue, and fixing it won't fix outcomes.
Fixing education is a complicated problem, imagining that we can fix it by just throwing money at it is, frankly, lazy. It's like a disengaged father sending his child to the most expensive private school without understanding anything about their child's educational desires or needs.
The problem with the system is that it's bureaucracy bound and married to perverse incentives. We need to fix the incentives, to do so within the existing system is a monumental task.
Large portion of tax already goes into public education. Money is never enough, thus someone donating more money to education never hurts. But I fail to see connection between 'if we need more money, tax all those wealthy citizens'.
Also, not having too rich and too poor people is a goal in itself - to move wealth from rich to poor creates a society where everyone is equal. Equal people are more happy and peaceful, and that is what it's all about.
People in roles like Zuckerberg are not only required to fulfill Machiavellian responsibilities to the companies they operate but they also need to do everything they can to counter the day-to-day reality with a strong likable public image. When Zuckerberg throws money it kind of acts as a bit of an inoculation to things like privacy concerns or the undermining of the middle class through the false culture of 'openness'. If Zuckerberg really cared about bad schools he would have dedicated a year ( or some meaningful amount of time) to teaching at one of them while learning about all the internal granularity and interacting pieces that truly are fucking up kids lives. Just throwing money is nice and I'm sure there is a ton of data behind his decision, but I can't help but think that a first hand perspective is something Zuckerberg has no desire to even begin to entertain. In fact I get the feeling that like most people ( admittedly myself) ), he would rather avoid it all together.
We Europeans in general and particular Scandinavians have it very easy to judge in our warm and cuddly nests.
A lot of what is wrong in the U.S. today goes back to our own absolutely unparalleled failure in the roughly 40 years between 1940 until 1980.
I think the American people could be far more powerful and demanding if they weren't hindered by their absurd notion of "socialism". And the reason why the politians can pull this term out of the cage in order to scare and control their folks is rooted in our continent.
Please explain.
Here's my very very very unhealty simplifictation of how the lack of public funding of public services and the events in europe are related.
underfunded schools > public spending in general > fiscal quote > "washington" > elections > cultural reflexes > "socialism" > libertarianism/Reagan > Europe > cold war > socialism > WW II
America had it relatively swell after WWII. Things went so well for so long that they thought that the American Way was indestructible. Again, how is that 'Europes" fault?
You appear to acknowledge this, but just in case: it's our (Europeans') fault because we had two massive, hugely expensive, wars, which the Americans funded, providing them with an economic security that further compounded their preexisting view of their own exceptionalism.
This means that rather than appreciating the degree to which their position of strength was obtained through historical circumstance, they see it solely as a product of the superiority of their own way of life.
edit: Of more relevance to the story, this is interesting, though perhaps not to everyone's taste: http://www.philosophersmail.com/capitalism/the-rich-should-s...
No matter how do you evaluate Hegels work, his ideals etc., it is absolutely stunning to see on which level he and others discussed this matter. And the "others" where especially important, because the role of the state and a nation where discussed not only in the ivory tower but also in broader public.
Fast forward to now. We made huge progress in applied science and technology, but how do we discuss and think about things like our freedom today? Compared to 200 years ago a cnn/fox/whatever discussion is nothing more then the mumbling of a patient in his terminal stage in dementia.
How did we loose all that? Why the degression?
The person who declared and showed how to destroy the state, the establishment and burn everything down was Hitler. His first target was to destroy the political apparatus, and he did.
After the war most european countries where politicaly weakened. So the U.S. was left with basically one true opponent, the soviet union. But this system was more of a dictatorship so it wasnt really a competion between states, but more a (cold) war led by nuclear threat.
So in the end, America won and showed an groth rate in global economical power unparalleled in history. And where money is there is power. So in the end the role of the state was very much diminished, and this laid the groundwork for Reagan.
And lot of the things the U.S. struggle today are the result of Reagans tax revolution.
While I, like many others here, do not expect these funds to make a noticeable difference in the under-served schools in the Bay Area, I do sincerely hope that our expectations are proven wrong.
CMD-F for Oakland in this article... nothing.
In terms of running a school district, it would be nice. Sprinkled across a region...well it's rounding error. If the total cost (compensation, benefits, administration, facilities and transportation) per year of a teacher in the classroom is assumed to be $100,000/year [probably very very low for the Bay Area], then the total package represents 1200 teacher years - or 120 teachers for 10 years. And that's like one teacher per school district.
If it were used to bring new facilities online - it's about new high school with furnishings and equipment and no new staff. However, the money isn't going to fund new schools or keep teachers in classrooms (or get children to and from school, or provide Head Start, or after school programs for needy children whose parents and guardians work, or any of the really pressing needs of individual children and families in poverty). Nevermind, thinking about how the housing situation effects their lives - to get a sense of scale, maybe that's how to think about the numbers...moving a few hundred of the region's homeless families off the street and into owner occupied housing?
No. the money isn't going for anything that long term.
It's going to 'technology' - a category where five years of use is a really long time = where staff salaries are a multiple of what teachers earn...and somebody has to select, install and maintain all those gadgets. It's a consultant gravy train.
The person who offers money in exchange for people doing what whatever they say is the served, not the serving. And with private individuals, unlike a government, the serving have no say whatsoever. This isn't a partnership. Zuckerberg isn't asking the districts what they need and seeing which of their needs he can meet. He's come up with a solution without the hard work of prioritizing the possibilities. That's unfortunate.
While I honestly admire the generosity, winning access to Exeter Academy and Harvard in the fast swimming semen sweepstakes doesn't make a person an expert in education at the scale of a school district, let alone a region. Even if one worked really really hard building a technology company.
Did you spend one nanosecond of time doing any research before firing off your oh so pious comment about sparing a few pennies to save the children?
A very quick google found me ed.gov, which is the US Department of Education. Here is an exact quote [1]:
ED currently administers a budget of $67.3 billion
in discretionary appropriations (including
discretionary Pell Grant funding) and operates
programs that touch on every area and level of
education. The Department's elementary and
secondary programs annually serve nearly 16,900
school districts and approximately 50 million
students attending more than 98,000 public
schools and 28,000 private schools. Department
programs also provide grant, loan, and work-study
assistance to more than 13 million postsecondary
students.
So it turns out that the federal government is already spending more than "a few million for the children".And in case you slept thru civics 101 class, the very next paragraph from the ed.gov website points out:
That said, it is important to point out that
education in America is primarily a State and
local responsibility, and ED's budget is only
a small part of both total national education
spending ...
[1] http://www2.ed.gov/about/overview/budget/index.htmlI did read your admonition a few days ago, and I should have apologized then.
I will be much more careful with the tone of my postings going forward.
Here's an example of excessive education spending in Oregon [1]:
A guy was a college professor in Oregon for 16 years
His final salary was $62,000 per year
He currently gets a pension of $214,000 per year
How is that possible? Simple. He was, among other things guaranteed an 8% a year return in his retirement account. All courtesy of the Oregon taxpayer.This kind of thing is endemic to public spending, whether it is in Oregon or in California or at the Federal level. Education or Defense, it doesn't matter. The billions simply disappear.
That's why, fundamentally, "a few million for the children" won't make a difference. At all.
[1] http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2012/03/oregon_...
Throwing money at a few schools will just mask the fundamental underlying organisational, logistical and philosophical failings of the system.
If you really wanted to attack the commenter, you could have compared rates of growth since 1980 in both defense and education, or compared defense/education spending ratios of other countries to our own, or anything other than what you did: posted the DoE's budget, a count of the number of students, schools, and school districts in the US, and a mention that most school financing is funded by local taxes as if it were something you didn't know was common knowledge.
But when I point out that the federal government is already spending $67.3 billion, that's not enough of a counter-argument. That's "common knowledge", so I needed to provide extensive additional information to refute his statement?
I think we'll have to "agree to disagree" about this one.