ABC = (val[A] × base^2) + (val[B] × base^1) + (val[C] × base^0).
Examples of other systems, as the OP said, are tally-marks (uniform-valued ordinal additive) and Roman numerals (symbol-valued ordinal additive). The question is, is arabic notation optimal for doing simple math quickly? It might not be, given that e.g. mathematical savants seem to be doing something involving geometric/visual computation.Scientific notation is, not, btw, fundamentally a different number system; it only provides for approximation of (most) very large or very small numbers, unless you want to spell out all the digits before the exponent, which of course would defeat the purpose. It's still really base-10.
As for different bases: I consider these very similar to base 10. Maybe we will use base X in a million years, but that wouldnt be a big surprise. I was more thinking about a revolution like from "............." to "13".
Then, to look at your question: who's your "we"? The Chinese already use another system (in many contexts). African cultures use their own systems. And who knows what might happen in the future.
零一二三四五六七八九
Africans are a diverse group so I expect that they have many different systems.
They use a system where a power-of-10 number is potentially preceded by a smaller count and followed by a smaller number. So, for example, 241 is represented as [2][100][4][10][1].
十 = 10 白 = 10^2 千 = 10^3 万 = 10^4 亿 = 10^8
This leads to the non-Western-like feature that the word for a million is 一白万 (1 10^2 10^4) whereas ten million is 一千万 (1 10^3 10^4) instead of 十白万 (10 10^2 10^4) which you might expect if you think using Western number systems and just internalize the rule that "白万 = million".
Relational reasoning is a key use case to be considered for any popular numeral system (How many do I have? How do I signal that amount to others? Do I have more or less?). For small, whole quantities (<100), alternate numeral systems could likely reach a similar learning curve as Arabic numerals. Very large and complex quantities, and things of a number theoretic nature are probably areas where a future numeral system will be differentiated.
Whether we stick to base-10 or collectively decide to use something saner in the future (base-12? base-60?) is anyone's guess, but methinks inertia will spell doom to efforts to part from it, much like efforts to bring sanity to the calendar never took off in the 19th century.
This much is probably sure, though: we won't go back to colorful subdivisions. Nobody except the US (and Liberia) uses anything but the metric system nowadays.
What's 395847593874382754238754987 * 389756987476347629845 ?
1.5428437e+47
What could any system of numbers give me that would make that operation faster than typing it in?
My old math teacher's objection to this was:
"But what if you don't have a calculator?"
And I was not smart enough at the time to realise there'd be more serious problems in a world where I didn't have a calculator and wanted to multiply large numbers (hey, I was only six.)
But what she ought to have said, when I was objecting to learning the tables, was that it makes sense to be reasonably fast with the basics of a system, so that you can do things beyond linear algebra quickly. If you need to stop and work out the very basics of a system every time you do algebra you're probably not going to get very far. The low level tools you have available influence what you can build on top of them.
However, the faster you are at the low level the less the practical gains are. The value of reducing an operation that takes a minute to one that takes seconds is likely to be enormous - but the value of reducing that second to a half second is not likely to be as significant.
It's similar to handwriting. We had a superior system of handwriting that we used to teach: Shorthand. It was more efficient even than most people's typing. But the additional value of that speed over typing was not sufficient for it to remain.
Unless there's an argument that, say, our being a half second or so faster at the low level will allow us access to some new high-level concepts, I think we're likely to stick with it.
At the moment, close enough to yes to make no difference. There's various ways of trying to score internet pedant points by fiddling around the very edges of that statement, but they're not relevant to a casual question. Yes, there is somewhere where you can find a physical thing that we might call a "one" and a "zero", even if it's not quite the same exact 1 or 0 you might get in your CPU due to parity or forward error correction or whatever other crazy thing you may have.
I mention those fiddly details to get them out of the way so I can bring up the bare handful of devices that actually functioned on true, no-kidding ternary: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ternary_computer Per Knuth's note in that article, as we continue to optimize the heck out of our silicon and as we start running out of ability to simply shrink, it's not inconceivable that ternary computing could make a comeback in the future. It is often casually assumed in current sci-fi and such that binary is the true "final" base of the future, but ternary is not out of the running.
On that note, see also: http://www.americanscientist.org/issues/issue.aspx?id=3268&y...
This would have next to no impact on anything else, though... in fact the first ternary computers would certainly simply run current programs, possibly recompiled and certainly at an efficiency penalty, but with no other end-user-visible effect.
(And let me warn you away from various speculations that ternary computers could somehow compute something binary computers can't. Turing Completeness, along with frankly obvious common (programmer) sense, precludes that. We already never truly work with bits... if we want bits we actually have to go out of our way to extract them from things at least the size of bytes, if not larger. Arguably modern computers are already in many ways Base256, as it is effectively impossible to manipulate anything smaller than an octet, which also obviously encompasses anything Base3 can do.)
also, your description is incomplete: we also use binary, hexadecimal, octal and other numbering systems on a regular basis.
Base 12 is actually a way more useful system since it is divisible by 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6 (vs. 2 and 5 for base 10), so 1/3 is not 0.3333, but 0.4.
412^-1 4/12 1/3
Whereas .33333... In base 12 would be 3.111... In base 12, =3*1/B =3/B
Asides: Number Encoding
This may be a bit of a strange concept to discuss in a book about JavaScript,
but the numbers that we’re all familiar with is only one of many different
kinds of encoding that exsits in the world.
The numerical system that we encode our numbers with today came from ancient
India, and was popularized by the Persians, hence the name Arabic-Hindu numbers.
It is a positional system. For example, the number 15 represents 1 unit in
the tens position, and 5 in the singular position - essentially 1 × 10 + 5 × 1.
Likewise, 314 is 3 × 100 + 1 × 10 + 4 × 1. This is read as 3 units in hundreds
position, 1 unit in the tens position, and 4 units in the singular position
There also exists numerical systems which are non-positoinal. Perhaps
the most famous example are Roman numerals. It’s also positional-ish, since
the position of the numerals are somewhat important for specific cases -
VI and IV mean very different things. The Mayan numeral system is another
example of a non-positional system, intermixed with a unary-ish system.
Most positional numerical systems have somewhat evolved into the same state,
despite having different runes and conventions to represent the same thing.
But perhaps the greatest innovation to numerical systems is the representation
of fractional numbers in a positional numerical system. It allowed us
to do really much fancier mathematics. However, as can be seen in the example
with 1/3 above, representing a fraction in a positional numerical system is
somewhat difficult.
The reason why this section is even here is to function as a reminder to the
reader that binary numerical systems used by modern computers are also
just another system - imagine it to be from another civilization, if you will
- and not be intimidated by it.
Speaking of fractions, the ancient Egyptians were one of the first civilizations
to use a fraction system (the Chinese were the other). Especially by modern day
standards, it was a very interesting fraction system. The fractions used by ancient
Egyptians are expressed only in terms of unit fractions
- i.e. fractions with 1 as the numerator.
There was quite a lot of junk cut out from my book too about ancient chinese numerical systems - they had different numerical systems for different classes of people, and different numerical systems for different bases. And even had negative numbers!Your question is actually a question of positional and nonpositional notation. I'm quite sure we'll stick with positional notations for some time to come, but uh, you never know about the future. For all we know, there could be a superior nonpositional system out there.
If we get off the planet, it's unclear what we'll "look like" in many ways. We could be cyborgs. We could have enormous lifespans (millions of years). Unless we achieve such an immortality, we will continue to evolve (physically and culturally) and after a million years on different planets, we'll probably see all sorts of variation in terms of number of digits, representation of knowledge, and language.
So, looking a million years out, the answer is probably "no". Our system may still be alive, but if we're alive in a million years, I'd bet that we're off the planet and human culture will have forked, making the question of what is "final" unclear.
For the next 500 years (even 2500) I don't think we'll see another numeral system. Arabic Base-10 works, and there isn't much ti be gained in changing it . The glyphs themselves may evolve (our "Arabic" numbers look nothing like the original Arabic digits) but the concept will be the same.
We have that situation already. The Pirahã have only 2 numers in their languge. Roughly translatable as "few" and "many".
And scientists use different bases and scientific notation.