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This isn't eccentric, it's poor communications though.

It could basically be summarised as:

"Please provide tea making facilities: tea bags, milk, sugar and hot water. If possible a couple of cans of Pepsi (not diet or other brands please) would be appreciated."

Really, the person organising the speech doesn't really care how someone takes their tea or why they don't like Pepsi or what the conditions (which are totally out of their hands) are which will mean you do or don't choose to drink one drink over another. Given that he says he carries his own tea bags (and if he's using them he wouldn't want milk or sugar) the request could be: "Hot water and a cup for making tea - don't worry about providing tea bags, milk or sugar."

It's all quite sweet but really, the excess guff and explanations make it more likely someone will miss something.

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I would wager that you'd end up being handed a can of Coke at good proportion of the time.

"Oh sorry, they don't serve Pepsi here."

Richard Stallman's way makes it clear that he does not want to support Coke. He does not want you to hand him a Coke by mistake. Since I assume that is his goal, he communicated it well.

His story helps you to notice, and remember, this seemingly trivial detail.

I'm confused why you think him saying "I only want Pepsi" is in any way clearer than my saying "I only want Pepsi".

EDIT: Make it clearer by saying "Pepsi (absolutely not Coke or any other brand)" by all means but the person buying the drink wants to make sure you get what you want and then get on with their lives, they're really not interested in the why.

It feels to me that Stallman wants to use this - as with most of what he does - as something of a polemic about what he believes. That's fine but it does make the whole document less clear about the actual detail of what he wants.

Stallman's "I want pepsi" reads more like "I specifically don't want Coke, and Pepsi is the most common alternative". With that information in hand, I'd probably suggest he try some of the more boutique cola brands that are available. Your "I only want Pepsi" reads like "I specifically want Pepsi", without accounting for regional flavour differences, etc.

I wouldn't supply anything other than Pepsi for fear of needing to know the history and practices of the local company that makes the soda I thought would be a fun surprise for rms.

You know that an instruction can be short, unambiguous, accompanied by best designed clear easy to understand diagram / logo, and that someone will ignore it and do something terrible.

"A few cans of Pepsi (NOT COCA COLA (http://example.com) and not any diet product please)" does have the advantage of being more check-list like, allowing people to hghlight / crossout the items they've done or not done yet.

The post-mortem of a kickstarter posted to HN yesterday, where someone managed to print and deliver a poster with a misspelling of the word "BROOKLYN" as "BROOKLYIN" has made me think about how people find and prevent errors.

HN isn't a good audience to ask that question because there are different ways to write code. There is only one way to write BROOKLYN.

I totally agree. Look at his bit about parrots (part of a larger bit about pets):

>DON'T buy a parrot figuring that it will be a fun surprise for me. To acquire a parrot is a major decision: it is likely to outlive you. If you don't know how to treat the parrot, it could be emotionally scarred and spend many decades feeling..

This right here is why I can't stand RMS. He's putting together a rider for all his (borderline unreasonable) demands when he speaks. And even when he's adding irrelevant things, he still manages to be a condescending know-it-all who has to tell you why your decisions are wrong, and why the way he thinks is the correct way to see things.

I don't know why you have to read that clause that way. I thought it was amusing, (though it appears he wasn't amused) the only reason he would have put that clause in there is because someone actually bought a parrot because they thought he would like it. I imagine it probably didn't happen in the US, but in a country where parrots don't cost as much as a month's wages.

While semantically your suggestion may seem equivalent to his, there's a big difference between saying "My cola of choice is Pepsi" and "I equate Coca Cola with murder".

There is. My point is that so long as you're clear that substitutes are not available, the person buying the cola doesn't care.

He wants them to care.

Good luck with that... ;-)

Maybe rms prefers Pepsi because he’s a fan of Pinochet?

http://www.theguardian.com/Columnists/Column/0,,305870,00.ht...

"Hot water and a cup for making tea..."

Tea needs to be made with _boiling_ not boiled water. The amount of places that present you with a cup of warm water and expect you to put a tea-bag into it, is upsetting*.

For reference, the correct way of making tea: http://h2g2.com/edited_entry/A61345

Tea is best when the water is 140F - 185F. ( why? see, for instance http://www.thefragrantleaf.com/green-tea-brewing-tips )

Oh, you meant that _other_ kind of tea.

Agreed.

Interesting to see that it doesn't work the same the other way.

> When you need to tell me about a problem in a plan, please do not start with a long apology. That is unbearably boring

To be fair to him an apology and an explanation are different things.

He's basically giving his reasoning which under some circumstances is fine but on matters of beverages feels to me at least to be something you should file under unnecessary detail.

I guess it depends what he's trying to achieve with the document. As an aid to hosting Richard Stallman, it's too wordy. As a combination pollemic / Richard Stallman FAQ (though with some of these things frequently would seem to be stretching it) it's probably fine.

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