Hacker News Reader

Comment by insuffi | Hacker News Reader

Excuse me? How is that somewhat OK? I don't give a damn about the NSA charter or even the constitution which so many people seem to bring up in hopes of justifying mass surveillance of civilians abroad - is mass spying on foreign civilians really OK at this point? Pre-emptively setting up infrastructure for surveillance without any warrants, in a sovereign state?

What about enterprise customers? Is it still "OK" if they carry out economic espionage?

Surely laws should only be considered if the situation in question relates to an american?

View on HN

This is all about economic/corporate espionage, not "homeland security." Customers overseas are already realizing that.

This is an understated threat to US IT companies.

+1 I agree.

Some evidence: http://www.businessinsider.com/the-snowden-effect-is-crushin... http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/new... http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/22/business/fallout-from-snow...

There is a difference between having the ability to spy and using it en mass without warrants. Tampering with routers gives the NSA the ability to spy.

The question of whether or not data is being collected illegally should not be confused with the ability of data to be collected.

You have a point. However, something really rubs me the wrong way about them having the ability to spy on every person. They are actively going out of their way to set up future channels of spying, without the consent of customers who bought the router in question.

And honestly, while your point is valid, there's plenty of discussion available online about rubber stamping warrants - and this sort of implanting of surveillance tools just makes it economically/logistically viable for them to spy on everyone.

The question is - do you feel OK about a foreign nation state embedding the ability to invade your privacy? Like you said, they don't have to use it, they just have to be able to use it when necessary. Honestly this sort of hairsplitting is just silly.

>The question of whether or not data is being collected illegally

Is not public knowledge, and the administration fights to keep it that way.

You inserted "mass spying," "foreign civilians," and "pre-emptive." They are nowhere in the evidence around this program. For all you know, NSA is only rerouting shipments bound for legitimate threats.

I wouldn't be surprised if this tool is used inappropriately as well, but there's nothing inherently mass, pre-emptive, or civilian-targeting about it.

Reply on news.ycombinator.com