Deal to combat piracy in UK with 'alerts' is imminent
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I don't think any of these ISPs are working in the interest of their customers though. There is nothing here that discusses the rights of the account holders to dispute these warnings or any talk of consulting with customers before implementation. And while it says that rights holders cannot use the system to prosecute individuals, surely if the ISPs are maintaining this information to send warnings a rights holder will use the courts to try to access the actual IPs eventually?
Besides, you can always just ring up or email your ISP with "I dispute your assertion/implication I was illegally downloading or uploading copyrighted content."
I'm not sure if the courts would force an ISP to release the information if going after the account holder would be in breach of a prior arrangement. Besides, pretty sure it has been shown that an IP doesn't identify an individual.
The other thing is that the information isn't centralised, which means someone could just hop from ISP to ISP, never hitting the 4 letter a year limit. If you port using a MAC code, there's very minimal downtime when you switch.
It would seem to me like the ISPs have acted in their interests and the interests of their customers by heading off legislation but still not evening showing teeth, let alone using them.
Edit: replacing typo's and autocorrect mistakes.
Imagine they'd collaboratively invested that cash into British startups tasked with finding new revenue streams for the entertainment industry, and then worked with them to provide legal access to films / music / whatever.
They could be in a completely different place in three years. This feels like spitting into the wind.
They are entitled to public assistance as much as the phone book publishing industry.
If the media companies wanted a creative new approach to delivering their content they would fund it themselves. They would rather use your government and your money to maintain the stats quo. If they want to stop piracy they should do it by providing a legal alternative which matches piracy's convenience.
Looks like the UK did not learn anything from its neighbor.
Well it did put the legislators under a little ridicule when warning letters were sent to the French prime minister's home after his kids had been pirating movies (can't remember all the details).
I can't wait to read the news articles that follow when these letters get sent to 10 Downing Street.
I protested in the streets of London when the digital economy act came through, and I am so glad that despite it passing, this is as far as it got.
Just look at the NSA as a good example of an organization that steadily amassed power over time.
I expect this to happen in about 3 years when the copyright holders decide it's not working (doubt anybody would actually double check) and they start making noise to give it more teeth.
Lesson: Encrypt all the things.
It helps that the ISP seem to on the whole not want to cut peoples internet off, it is rather bad for business.
Similarly, I pay Lovefilm, Orange.fr and the NFL directly for access to paid content. I streamed a Game of Thrones episode to my TV here in France last night, possibly making me the first person in history to watch the show legally.
But when I head back to our house in England in a few months, I might want to watch the next episode so I'll download it. I have paid for access to it, but BT has no way of knowing this so they'll add me to their list of "Bad People".
There's simply no way they can correctly track who paid for what, so it leaves us in a situation where, regardless of whether you have a right to the content you watch, you're still labeled a criminal.
Kinda makes you wonder why bother paying at all if the end result is the same.
We'd answer them and ask, yes, please do send somebody out. We'll show you around. That really pissed them off, since now we're not only lying but calling their bluff.
Eventually after several months of this, a very angry looking man came to the door, stormed upstairs, looked around a bit, searched a few cupboards, and apologized.
I often think that if they took the time and effort they spend harassing people who don't watch television and instead directed it towards making television programs that people might want to watch, they would actually get more people to pay them for a license to watch television.
The fact that you paid for it in one format doesn't mean you're legally allowed to format shift it, especially if by doing so you have to download a torrent which involves some amount of uploading.
I am not saying that I agree with the laws.
Old media will never win this battle. Perhaps they should focus on making their content available reasonably - having to pay a yearly TV tax plus a subscription to Sky or Virgin just to watch what might well be a single programme is ridiculous. Netflix is far better, and I use it, but its catalogue is still tiny and often released an extremely long time after a programme was aired on TV.
This education thing won't do much to turn people away from piracy. If threat of prison or bankruptcy-inducing fines didn't, then neither will this, especially when there's little to educate them about when the content people want isn't actually available in their countries and soon after coming out.
Hollywood is its own biggest problem.
Surely, as a member of an entrepreneurial-focussed community, you can trivially see why this argument isn't valid? The content holders are only competing with free if they're offering the same service as the free service.
The games industry has managed to cleverly counter 'competing with free' by making their paid services such as Steam value-added over simply providing the same content as the free content. The rights holders just have to find something that they can add that pirates cannot. As Steam gives community and ease of storage, and Spotify gives recommendations and playlists, so too must Hollywood find something that they can give.
Netflix already goes a long way to being the Spotify of the film and television industry, but it's hampered by only being allowed to show out of date content, and having its content culled fairly often. If the film and television industry were to introduce a Netflix+ with all the newest films and television shows, then I expect that they could attract a much larger number of people at a much larger price.
Of course, they could always just sit around whining that they "can't compete with free" and stick ever greater restrictions on the public until the public finally grow sick of them and force politicians to move decisively against the film and television industry.
Services like Spotify make far smaller revenues than music sales, so can hardly be considered a success for anyone other than Spotify.
I don't disagree that rights holders should make their services as user friendly as possible, but it's disingenuous to infer that will fix the underlying problem.
I'm not sure what you mean by your final paragraph. Why would the public 'force politicians to move decisively against the film and television industry'? The film and television industry are the ones producing the content that the public want.
The other 10% can barely afford food every day so there's no point in getting upset over it.
If you're wondering why they have internet then the answer is simple information is power and there's no other place on the planet where you can find so much free information.
(TBH it's slightly annoying: some public networks have portals that will block VPN connections, so in those cases the phone gets stuck trying and failing to turn on the VPN)
In the past, people could at least buy Game of Thrones through iTunes per-episode or on some sort of season pass. As of this season, they've changed so the only option is a $50/mo pay-TV subscription. The one person I knew who was paying for GoT in Australia, now doesn't.
They obviously will have to develop a heuristic for suspicion and store suspects somewhere. If that list becomes available by accident or court order then it puts people at litigation risk. Unfortunately despite guarantees supposedly mandated by law, if you're confronted with a case then you're screwed either with respect to costs or defense.
I would suggest people start moving to Andrews and Arnold or a similar smaller ISP immediately.
1. They actively monitor your connection to be able to determine whether or not you have "infringed". This has non legitimate utility.
2. They are building a mailing database which whilst is under a mild agreement may in the future be made available under different terms.
So this is not a win, it's a tragic first step towards what we don't want.
Most of us are too busy to notice and/or are underestimating the negative impact of a large sum of little policies.
I think!
Which is something they are already doing anyway.
The best thing we can do is vote, as often and loudly as possible.
I wrote to my MP a few years ago regarding some copyright issue (I think it was the proposed extension to 70 years). The reply was pretty much, "Our party believes this and that is what we are going with" (their stance was pretty much the opposite of what I was writing about).
I wrote a second time explaining that I though representative democracy was supposed to be about the politicians representing the people, and their wishes.
The next reply seemed to acknowledge that, but I have my doubts that I was actually represented in any way.
The voting system is hardly perfect, but if, as the young and technically literate are wont, we don't vote much, then sensible policies don't happen.
I'm warning you
Now I'm really annoyed
I'm really upset with you
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That's the real sting: building infrastructure to keep tabs on who is accessing what. Once that infrastructure is in place, you only need to flip a switch in Westminster in a few months (because "the system isn't working", of course -- ever seen any rights-holder data saying piracy has decreased?) and the mass-punishment will begin.
Which is idiotic, really: the French HADOPI law was built on the same principles, and it only made VPNs more popular.