YouTube Founders to Sell Delicious, a Social Bookmarking Site
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I think this is one more reason to not build consumer apps. You can get millions of people to use something, but it still be considered "niche" or "small" and not really make much money.
Consumers are willing to pay for value received. I'd certainly pay for a good solution to the mess that is bookmarks, something to complement Pocket. Unfortunately del.icio.us was never quite there.
We have on-page contextual discussions (launching early next week: sending a link to any email address, and replies to the email thread show up in the discussion). And we're working on recommendation engines based on your keeps / social connections. Let me know what you think, we're a small team and want to make it the most useful platform as possible.
(1) My first concern is about privacy. The idea that my search results would be curated based on my friends' browsing activity makes me anxious. Does the site link specific search results to individual friends? I expect that kind of public accountability would be inhibiting, making users feel pressured to conduct their searches and browsing much more carefully than they otherwise would, choosing only the most reputable sites and restricting the breadth of their search terms--as if someone was standing behind them scrutinizing every click and search. If Google auto-complete was only populated with search terms conducted in my social network, that would tell me a lot of very personal information about people. Even if you don't link friends to specific searches or sites, I think in many cases it would be easily identifiable, and could have pernicious social effects. Who wants to conduct a search about, say, a personal health matter, if it will fuel gossip among and invite ridicule from their friends? I think I'd end up using the site to search really erudite topics to impress my friends, and leave my personal/dumb searches (i.e., the dumb questions that makes the internet so useful!) to another search engine.
(2) Setting aside the privacy concern, I'm not convinced that the product itself--search results curated by my friends' searches--actually offers that much value to me. I like my friends but I don't consider them experts on many topics; and if they are experts on a topic, then (1) I'd probably ask them my question directly rather than searching about it; and/or (2) their internet searching about it is probably at a more technical level than the information I'm searching for.
(3) With that being said, I do think the idea behind the product--to curate search results based on the searches of actual experts--is a really good idea. While I wouldn't rely on my friends' opinions on, say, the best cardiologist in the city, or upholstery techniques, or Ukranian politics, I would greatly appreciate having my search results shaped by the opinions of actual experts on those topics. I'd appreciate a search engine that curated search results based on klout scores that accounts for how well-respected those sites are by people on the whole, and by experts in that area.
(4) To the extent that the site allows annotation on webpages (eg, highlighting to create a discussion, or adding comments on particular passages or pictures, etc.) I think that is an exceptional, disruptive idea that could really change the way people interact with content. But why limit those comments to just your immediate network? I don't always care what my friends think about a topic they know little about, but I'd care very much to see, e.g., what passages Bill Gates is highlighting in XYZ article about international development.
Anyway, those are just my initial perceptions. I'd be happy to chat more via email if you want me to elaborate.
(Here's a lesson - business owners will often not even know what services they're signed up to!).
I would. I would pay $10 pm for the current pinboard service quite happily - and there are a bunch of things I hate about it!
I'd probably pay more for something that wasn't ugly as sin, had good support for team sharing, better historical browsing, etc.
On the other hand for a consumer web-mail service, or something like a DigitalOcean, I would definitely pay an amount like that.
For us - and I know for some other folk I've talked to about exactly this topic - things like delicious and pinboard are really important services. I've done a little bit of custdev around this since a "better pinboard/delicious" for my particular use case is something I'm interested in.
I may be atypical. I may not be part of a large enough market for a real business to be built around (only done a little bit of custdev ;-). I've no idea.
But I do know there are people willing to pay at least that much on a monthly basis. Coz I've got a smallish mailing list of 'em ;-)
Chrome has a nice feature where you can see what tabs you have open on other computers (assuming you are signed in and have sync enabled). I think Firefox has the same, but I don't use it often enough to have looked for it.
You were also, at that point, restricted to arbitrary hierarchies rather than arbitrary tagging. The ability to slice bookmarks over multiple categories is stupidly useful (for me anyway.)
But Pinterst showed how the "social" side of "social bookmarking" should really be done.
I remember showing the original del.icio.us to my friends and them all saying "I don't get it." And then I said "instead of emailing everybody links, you can just post them here and we'll all get them automatically" and they went "Ah! Now I get it!"
Edit: Am I wrong?
Meaning, yes you in the past had to share links via email. Delicious solved that with both parties on Delicious.
Or they subscribed in a RSS reader.
With delicious From day one you bookmarklets that worked with anybrowser. And a kickass Mozilla sidebar thingy
Need something that's cross-platform, cross-browser with arbitrary tagging and suddenly you're looking at third party service.
Add to that the discover side of shared bookmarking tools (Gee - I wonder what everybody else has tagged with "foo") and a third party service is the only thing that will help.
I was a really happy delicious used before the post-yahoo rewrite. Then they lost about 1000 bookmarks of mine so I moved to pinboard - where I'm not quite unhappy enough to go write my perfect system ;-)
http://pinboard.in has very nicely solved the problem for me, with tagging and search. Well worth the $10 one-time fee.
> Consumers are willing to pay for value received.
Well, app.net is a cautionary tale in the other direction. It really depends on the business.
Ripple then? Again that rests on adoption for Ripple, which is probably even smaller than a lot of alt coins.
https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/3305
"The new fee after this patch is 0.5 cents."
I'm guessing y-axis is cents. Looks like it's about $0.25 - $0.30 these days.
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I moved to pinboard.in when it came out and it's exactly what I need, nothing more, and the guy who runs it keeps it simple. Really loved the sync to import all my existing delicious bookmarks.
-Around $10 for a lifetime membership.
-Supports tags.
-Great search functionality.
-Bookmarklets for most browsers.
-Public or private bookmarks.
-Lightweight and fast.
I've been using it since 2010 and absolutely love it.
Basically, if you ever feel like you'd need to go back and find something you bookmarked a couple of years ago, then yes. If you're just saving a few bookmarks in your browser, then probably not.
I have a browser search engine shortcut so that if I type "pin <something>" into the URL bar, Pinboard will search all my bookmarks and tags and comments and (apparently) full text of the things it's archived, including the full text of PDFs.
So, if right now I wanted to find exactly the paper where Rogaway described the powering-up mechanism in the XEX cipher, I can just type "pin rogaway powering" and very quickly have the article in front of me.
I'm not sure how I would manage to do that with browser bookmarks.
I too find it hard to articulate what makes bookmarking services like Pinboard useful. Part of the problem is that it doesn't (to me) have much to do with bookmarking, so much as it does with "personal search".
Exactly. Pinboard is my personal record of everything online I find useful or interesting enough to remember.
This is a good time to remind everyone to use pinboard.in - the fee is one-time and you can sync from del.icio.us.
In any case, Pinboard.in is all around better, so I guess the redesign had it's upside.
I don't have many friends on Delicious, and no friends with really similar interests, so the social network aspect is not worth much to me. HN has lots of reasonably bright and knowledgeable users, so the comments are worth something to me. It's the classic private vs public dichotomy in social networks.
If Delicious could somehow mix in some of the forum aspect that HN has, it could become enormously valuable to me. If it let me read and participate in discussions like HN, but focused on the areas i am specifically interested in (more Rust, less Bitcoin), it would replace HN in an instant.
For me, pinboard is bookmarks that I don't have to synch, and have automatically available at home, work or wherever.
The most powerful feature of Delicious for me was the /popular/ page, which showed me at a quick glance what sites/pages were trending for that day. Usually it reflected what was on the home page of Digg, and a few other influential tech sites.
Moving forward, the idea of user generated content & socially powered websites lost some steam (although the concept is still around) and Delicious lost it's chance to make the site into a profitable force online.
I used it for years to store and tag bookmarks so I could share them between machines.
But I deleted my account soon after Yahoo took over.
But now I feel like I just want a self-hosted version of what Delicious does. I use my bookmarks for my own sake - I really don't care about sharing them with others or discovering new links through Delicious. Should I self host or is there a better option for me?
Time to download my links before they disappear, I think.
If I was always using the same browser then Chrome would work, but there are times I'm working at a client site and don't have the ability to either use Chrome or sign in to my personal account, yet I wish to access a stored bookmark. This is where Delicious comes / came into the picture...
Maybe my use case is different?
That's me, I decided to write my own. One day I'll do it too.
It's regrettable that Delicious didn't succeed in the hands Yahoo. At this stage, the owners would probably be best trying to sell to someone or something food-related.