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> it's engineers that come up with new, innovative products that solve real problems

It's _humans_ that come up with new, innovative products that solve real problems. The profession those humans choose vary.

Wow! What a weirdly expansive/narrow view of fields you identify/don't identify with.

Obviously bucketing one or the other is foolish. The people who come up with innovative products are usually called inventors, and they can come from a background of engineering, design, or anything really.

I would argue that true design is the essence of engineering. Or alternatively, that engineering is simply directed design.