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Intertwingled: The Work and Influence of Ted Nelson – Starts at 9:30AM PDT

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If it's not already going to be recorded, can someone here do that? I'll be in class when it's going on and won't be able to watch it. :(

It will be available for a while.

I don't know if I necessarily approve of this, or entirely trust its accuracy, but this 1995 hatchet job on Ted Nelson is a great read: http://archive.wired.com/wired/archive/3.06/xanadu.html

hmm, interesting, fascinating and sad. the article mentions Mark Miller. He has done very interesting work (works at google).

http://research.google.com/pubs/author35958.html

That is a very sad article indeed. I believe Ted Nelson's work is hampered a lot by the fact that none(?) of his texts are available as ebooks/reprints -- which mean they're far to difficult to get ones hands on in order to read the original.

The insights Nelson brings to the idea of hypertext (besides coming up with the term in the first place) are somewhat more significant than for instance Fielding's contributions in his REST paper (partly because Nelson was so far ahead of everyone else).

If you don't mind spending a couple hundred bucks you can pick them up used on Amazon. If you just get one, get Literary Machines.

It just covers the basic concepts though, not all the details of "enfilade theory" and so on. That stuff gets really complicated and I haven't found a clear explanation anywhere. Nelson kept it secret for a long time.

This article covers the basic concepts: http://www.xanadu.com.au/ted/XUsurvey/xuDation.html

And this briefly introduces their more complex ideas: http://xanadu.com/tech/

I just found this page, which has some Internet Archive links that go into as much detail as I've seen: http://fileformats.archiveteam.org/wiki/Enfilade

I certainly do mind spending several hundred dollars on some second-hand paperbacks -- when the things should just've been made available for reprint (and as ebooks). Not to mention that it pretty much rules them out as curriculum for any kind of course on hypermedia. That said, I do think they're great books.

computer lib is now in reprint. http://hyperland.com/LibPage

Well that's nice. Not sure I'm entirely convinced they shouldn't be able to make it available cheaper than 100$/book (and as a pdf...) -- even just assuming they're able to print it at reasonable quality there should be something available for making a high quality scan...

Still, great that it is available!

it's a different form factor: http://www.digibarn.com/history/grand-opening/images/amara-c... ... At small volume printing, you'll have to pay a good amount to get such a custom work done.

And Ted's is an idealist ... he would never be ok with a PDF version of the work. Those letters are fighting words.

Also in that shot you'll get a rare rare glimpse of Steve Inness without a hat!

Only Silverlight or HLS supported :|

I'll ask around about getting it officially put on YouTube

Link to the Open Xanadu demo:

http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/126637177/Phase_1_no_nav_...

Doesn't work for me due to Javascript errors, but I figured I'd post it all the same.

this was just out today. done by nicholas levin.

You wouldn't happen to have a link to a working version, by any chance? I'd like to play with it, and I'm not soon going to have the time to sort out what's wrong with the version I linked.

nothing on the mailing list yet. If I don't see anything by Monday, I'll ask him.

Streaming video doesn't seem to be working. I'm on Windows 7, tried with Chrome and IE. I clicked the link for the presentation that should be running now but it just says "waiting for presentation to begin."

Someone got it working on a Mac.

this is a Ted Nelon tribute event. so the title should name him first!

some lectures of his here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdnGPQaICjk

Some other big names at the conference too...Alan Kay, Jaron Lanier...if I'd known about this one in advance I'd have been tempted to take the day off work!

Woz is here too. It's pretty epic for a room of 45 people

Wow. Ok I would have gone in person.

Is anyone seeing the live broadcast? I am not, as of 9:44

It started about 945 ... But I'm in the back of the room.

Thanks. Still waiting for the live broadcast online at 9:50

:( I'll ask around when I get a chance. I thought it was a stream but it doesn't explicitly claim so.

Got it streaming on the Mac now. Was not working on Win8, laughably.

Live? Chapman guy is in front of me now and says it will be live later

It appears to be either live or live-ish. (On the other hand, according to the schedule, Jaron Lanier should've been the first speaker, and he doesn't appear to have been from the perspective of the stream. Did he speak and it wasn't broadcast, or what?)

I see him two rows ahead but unless I'm missing something he didn't speak yet. It was the chancellor, Wendy Hall, and now Christine Borgman

how sad that this doesn't even the front page of HN. he's the inventor of hypertext.

I recently wrote to Mr. Nelson and he is still working on his grand dream.

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