The Secret Shame of an Unacquired Tech Worker
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I'm sure I'd feel pretty bad too if I was in her place. I hope she can get through it and learn and grow from the experience.
http://www.indeed.com/salary?q1=User+experience+designer&l1=...
Having recently hired both designers and engineers, I can say with confidence that the pay differential is a hell of a lot more than 7%. Double is absolutely plausible.
"You see, it's not that women get paid less than men... it's that women are designers, and men are programmers, and programmers make more than designers!"
It does sound as bad. The lack of appreciation for 'non-technical' employees labor is pretty sad. I am highly technical, and the designers on my team are the most valuable ones in my eyes... they can do something I can't.
All roles help build the company.
The issue really needs to be addressed earlier - at the high school, and college level, when girls start to drop out of technical course work.
We, socially, consider 'women's work' to be less valuable then men. Hence, positions that have a gendered connotation have a difference in salary.
Your (1) should mean that their salary is way _higher_ than programmers. Supply and demand, no? I also don't know if what you say is true.
I definitely agree with this when we're talking about teachers, nurses, librarians, etc. but I don't think web/product/UX designer is a particularly gendered role. It just looks that way because there are so few working women programmers (in comparison to their solid majority of the population) and the sex ratio for designers is more even.
We consider designers to be less valuable than programmers because there are 5 times as many of them than there are programmers.
Of course designers do something that you can't, and if programmers were common, the designers would be calling the shots. Architects do something you can't, too, and they make a lot less than you do - because there's more of them than we need.
What I meant was there are fewer designers on staff because there's a need for them, but a much lower need for designer man-hours than coder man-hours.
Your average web/software startup can be served by one or two designers while the coding team scales up to 10+ times that number. Maybe that's different in video games or other design-heavy areas but consumer and business products don't seem to have as much demand for designers.
Designers work tends to be in much more of a winner-take-all star system, where a celebrity with a track record like Johnny Ives, Karim Rashid, or Phillipe Starck can make millions, while your 'average' designer makes very little. In contrast, it's probably a flatter distribution for software engineers.
This is true, but rightly or wrongly roles are compensated very differently. A successful tech company probably needs programmers, designers, testers, customer support, managers, ops, etc. It would be an odd company (though not necessarily a bad one) that paid all those employees the same. Remember that the wage paid to a person is somewhere between 'what I must pay to hire a decent candidate' and 'how much value they actually add', and usually skews towards the former.
One of my friends lost his job during the dot-com bust. He was married only a few weeks earlier. He was on an H1B and about to get kicked out of the country. He couldn't find a job anywhere because of the bust. He paid money to a body shop to keep his H1B "active", and then he got whatever jobs he could for 2 years, moving around CA taking the shittiest jobs just so that he had money for his family. He went from a software engineer to pumping gas during the midnight shift in Redwood City and getting paid under the table, just so that he would have money. Finally after two years, he got a break and got a job at a big tech company, moved to Austin, and is thriving in his job, made senior manager, and has 3 kids. He suffered great indignities just to survive and to make money and his perseverance paid off, thankfully.
To hear this person say they don't know if they can never interview again because they weren't good enough to join Google, and they would look bad in front of their rich friends, frankly it sickens me. No wonder the hate of Silicon Valley is increasing in these past few years, it's producing people like this that can't take the fact that their feelings were hurt.
And it's not just her feelings that were hurt -- it could have short term negative consequences on her job prospects. "If Google didn't want her, what's wrong with her?"
If she doesn't know how to spin that, she should get someone to help her out because it's really just a matter of perception. I'm no communications expert but I'd start with "Google wanted engineers," "Google was looking for a different skillset," etc. This is the type of thing that a good recruiter can actually really help with.
Not sure this is a popular opinion, but I feel like a lot of white-collar workers should go work blue-collar jobs once in a while, even if for a day. Indignities are trying to bribe companies to keep a visa valid, not so much working low paying jobs, and perseverance doesn't help others that have no better out like everyone wants you to believe. Which is a huge shame.
I co-own a fast food restaurant, and I try to spend a half day every week there in person making sure things are going okay. People do a double take and then some when they discover that my day job is really as a software developer because they don't expect me to stand around at the counter or flip a burger like the $10/hour employees because I have a six figure income so I could fuck off very easily. People also treat me with way more respect afterwards - totally different from "you're the boss" is "you're the boss but you have a super swank other job". Everyone from random steady customers to like, those (insert major tech company) employees that came in the other day while I was madly typing away on my laptop during a slow hour and the 15 year old punks that just got out of school calling me a "bitch" (..."I want a burger") to "what are you doing, you type really fast" to "yes ma'am, I'm sorry, also that's really cool!!" in a matter of minutes.
Me working hard at the same job is assumed to have a good payoff in the end (maybe my also-programmer husband and I can eventually afford a nice house in SF...lol) while my employees working harder than me is assumed to be terrible - "why are you still a burger flipper" with what time and money to become better even if I try to pay them decently and work with their schedules? I even put out a job posting for more summer hires recently and got a whole slew of people with degrees - including ones with MBAs and a CS degree that I emailed instead with "wanna talk to a tech recruiter?" Sigh...
My experience at Google is that we love hiring women both for SWE roles and PM roles. All three tech leads I've had over 2.5 years have been women, and I've worked with about as many female PMs as male ones. However, we generally hire PMs with a solid technical background (often a CS major or minor), which the author doesn't mention and so I assume does not have. I would be flabbergasted if she wasn't hired because she's a woman.
Which is why I want the "tech undervalues non-coders" meme to stop getting dragged into these gender discrimination discussions. It muddies the waters and only serves to discredit the person bringing it up in the eyes of technology people who still need to be convinced that we have a gender discrimination problem.
A similar example I saw recently at (http://modelviewculture.com/pieces/sex-and-the-startup-men-w...) put it clearly:
"The roots of the vast gap in power and value between men and women in Silicon Valley begin very early in the life-cycle of a startup, often before the startup officially has employees or executives. For example, in a company like Facebook... women from the beginning of the company did work that had not yet been conceived or compensated as work. Women who casually dated the founders before the company had employees found themselves doing everything from recruiting engineers from their social networks, mediating founder relationships and disputes, providing product feedback, designing social events, and performing emotional and affective labor."
"When startups begin hiring employees, the fact that nontechnical work may have been originally done for free by friends often leads founders to continue to devalue that labor, considering it optional or “fun,” perhaps a matter of social obligation, rather than serious and valuable. Engineers become highly prized commodities to hunt and value highly, while labor that isn’t technical is often expected to be freely performed by people who may have other jobs at the company (such as administrators) or who may not have any job at the company at all (such as girlfriends and dates). And because this labor often goes underpaid or not paid at all, it also doesn’t signify when equity is divided up."
The author of that needs to ask: why can you find people to do the non-coding work for free or cheap, but you can't find people to do the coding for free or cheap? It has everything to do with the supply and demand of skills. Developers are still more scarce than all those other roles. Full stop.
We absolutely need more powerful women in tech -- by letting more women become great coders. Not by pretending coding ability doesn't matter.
The notion is that "women's work" is devalued, and there are all these social reasons women find themselves being underpaid or not paid at all for above and beyond "supply and demand".
It's ultimately shitty that everyone in the company but the designer got to fail upwards and land in cushy jobs while she got $10k and a pat on the head. Did she not put in long hours? Did she not sacrifice her personal life, etc, in a way commensurate with the developers?
You need one designer for every 3 or 4 programmers, but that doesn't mean you still don't need good designers or that their individual contribution is automatically less valuable.
It's an interesting hypothesis, but I haven't seen any data to back it up. The common sense explanation seems like it fits. Work that can be done by lots of people gets lower (or zero) wages. If the problem were women getting underpaid, we'd see the same problem among female developers. Do we?
Designers are worth less in an acquihire. As a result, designers should demand wages that are closer to the market rate than developers do when they work for startups.
I doubt anyone collects statistics on acquihires let alone "girlfriends or wives who help out in startups but don't get paid for it", or "HR people who got shafted with useless stock options".
(Female developers being somewhat underpaid is a common enough trope, though)
So, we're left with anecdotes. "Unpaid female work" is an common theme. You've got the MVC article linked above or say this one here http://modelviewculture.com/pieces/ceo-archetypes-7-joan-of-... and I'm reminded of Scott Weiss' post on the disruption his personal life suffered due to this startup ( http://scott.a16z.com/2014/01/17/success-at-work-failure-at-... ) and tucked away in there is a bit where his Harvard MBA wife had to stay at home to look after the kids.
I've known plenty of designers who aspire to code "one day" but they never do for whatever reason.
I don't doubt that there is gender discrimination and ageism in the industry. However I don't feel that this is a case of one.
So why do the developers get paid more than other (white male) workers who work longer hours doing harder work? Because "long hours" and "sacrifice" have absolutely nothing to do with what anyone gets paid.
Your pay is not a function of just yourself. It's a function of every other person who could have done your job instead. The more of them there are, and the worse their other alternatives, the lower your wages will be.
You have (employment) market liquidity, you have long standing cultural practices, you have collective action problems, etc. We happen to work in a rapidly growing industry, which is why times are rosy.
Nail on the head. These weakly compensated "office coordinator" or "customer service" roles aren't weakly compensated because they skew toward females. They are weakly compensated because they can be.
Try to pay a female engineer $30K when she has offers from other places for 3x more than that. She'll laugh in your face.
http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2014/01/randi_zuckerberg.html
"....not all women are the target demo of Randi's lip synching, the CEO of General Dynamics is a woman, I think she has a higher security clearance than the entire Senate, and I know for a fact she builds alien spaceships, why not interview her about how she uses social media to promote her brand and make connections and break ceilings? Because there's no Like button for hard work or triple integrals, which is doubly interesting because calculus was invented to make hard work easier. "I just don't get math." Can't do math if you weren't taught to think logically, and logic is tough on kids' self esteems and makes them way less submissive, easier just to put on a video. "They're obsessed with the Wiggles." And apple juice, whose fault is that? So instead of "if you do the same amount of hard work as everyone else, you should end up in the exact same boat as everyone else, and it will sink because none of you know anything about boats," we get Randi Zuckerberg, a lot, who tells us about the occupational hazards of posting baby pictures"
I'm also not sure I understand the larger point after reading the rest of the quoted section. Is it women aren't doing the right jobs? Women aren't respected? Women don't respect themselves? He touched on all these ideas at some point in the section. Or is it something totally different?
This particular article even self-consciously responds to your criticism:
"You know, you could use an editor." You could use some free association, it may help you see unconscious connections which drive your life."Randi Zuckerberg is CEO of Zuckerberg Media, which, according to its 10-K, is an iphone. If you have no idea who she is, and you shouldn't, then the answer to your one and only question is yes."
I guess that should've tipped me off to the insanity I as about to dive into. (Also his stream of conscious is a little too similar to mine and it's never nice to meet yourself)
Maybe there is more to this story, but at face value, I think this is a failure of leadership to protect the team.
I doubt you'd get that. As of 2011, Google's pretty firm on regular employees of acquisitions being contractors first, and sub-80 conversion rates happen.
Or at least really compensating the one they didn't hire.
I agree. They should have done that.
I think the founders took a deal that was good for them and failed to make sure it worked for everyone. She got a crappy severance; they got jobs at twice what they'd get under normal terms. Not that it excuses their betraying her, I think they were probably a bit panicked about their own job security.
Maybe there is more to this story, but at face value, I think this is a failure of leadership to protect the team.
They saved themselves. You could say that they weren't leaders, then. It's unclear what their other options were.
These things happen and they are upsetting. There are many bad operators who wouldn't think twice about screwing over the people who helped them get where they are. On the other hand, there are folks who will try to do their best to make sure everyone comes out ok and these are the people who you should try to seek out.
If a field is dominated by women, the pay tends to be less. Anecdotal, no proof. But this rule of thumb has worked for me. I am often asked to do UI and design stuff. I could be good at it, but I refuse to do it because it shunts me into a lower paid position. I stick to programming and don't allow my male counterparts to make the assumption that I will do their prettifying.
Design work is necessary, and I enjoy my attempts at it on personal projects. If it were my dream job, maybe I would feel differently? I don't know. I just know that as someone who is viewed as "creative", my personal experience is that the stereotype is stunting.
Same thing with games, tons of people grow up playing them and want to make them -> more supply of workers -> get paid & treated like crap.
Also, look at your average consumer/business startup - by the time you get to 10-20 coders, you might have one full-time designer. Maybe. Or a freelancer whom you bring in for a project when you need them.
I also don't really think that the part about her rich boyfriend is relevant and it feels a bit weird that the article mentions it. She also sounds very, very negative towards the end of the article. Some of my friends in other sectors have applied to 100 jobs, received one offer and got fired after 6 months because of budget cuts. They still get up every day and try again.
If I was her I would ask why they didn't hire me (feedback is always useful), take the 10k. Travel for a month and get ready to try again. I get that it hurts but working for a startup company the possibility of failure is always around the corner and "selling" to Google and getting some money doesn't sound like the worst way to fail.
her financial cushion had made it easier for her colleagues to leave her behind.
"Their attitude was, We can leave you with nothing because you’re a girl and you have a rich boyfriend," she said.
In my opinion, even if your teammate doesn't "need the money", it's important that you express how valuable they have been to you (for even just believing in your journey and sticking through it).
> "Amy admits she'll "never know" if she wasn't hired by Google because she's female, because she's not an engineer, or whether there was something else wrong with her application."
If you go through life believing that any prejudice (sexism, in this case) is dominating your career growth, you will always look for it in the tea leaves, project it onto any situation, and in return invite it. In truth, the person who is prejudiced is you.
You have to live your life assuming good faith unless you have direct evidence of bad faith. You're crippling yourself to assume an ethereal, non-specific, constant prejudice against you because you are putting the locus of control outside yourself.
http://meatballwiki.org/wiki/AssumeGoodFaith http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Locus_of_control
In fact, in Amy's words:
> "I feel like I have no power, that this happened to me, and it’s my fault," she said. "I feel so betrayed. And, at this point, I don't really feel like I have it in me to fail again."
It's critical as a professional to believe that the situation is something specific, direct, and within you sphere of influence, so you can look to ways to improve.
In this situation, if you start with the assumption no one was being sexist, it's not that difficult to identify the most probable reason she was not hired and her salary was lower. Google acquihired the engineering team; she was a designer. Therefore, she was not hired.
If you see that as a cause, then it becomes easier to think of ways to improve, such as gaining software development skills or taking on a larger and larger product design roles to make yourself more valuable as an employee. Or just looking for another job.
Of course, they could have been sexist towards her, but the article doesn't provide direct evidence, only Amy's perception of their attitude, which I fully trust she believes is fact even though I also believe she is just projecting.
> "'Their attitude was, We can leave you with nothing because you’re a girl and you have a rich boyfriend,' she said."
The lesson in an nutshell is to never assume prejudice. Only draw that conclusion from direct evidence.
For better or worse, disadvantaged minorities always have to consider this. It's probably one of the biggest privileges that white males have in day to day life -- they rarely need to consider if race/gender played a role in any decision they encounter.
There was an interesting experimental study that showed that a white male just released from prison was as likely to get a job callback as a black male with no criminal record [1].
There are typically multiple factors at play for any employment decision, but race and gender loom very large -- large enough that ignoring it is just ignorance.
And note, that the domain matters. Jeremy Lin faced discrimination as a basketball player being Asian. But for most domains, being a white male is preferred.
[1] Discrimination in a Low-Wage Labor Market: A Field Experiment, Am Sociol Rev. Oct 1, 2009; 74(5): 777–799, http://www.princeton.edu/~pager/ASR_pager_etal09.pdf
Second, statistics that measure the state are not direct evidence. Individual cases may or may not fit. There may be statistics that measure a company that demonstrate a bias, but unless you have direct evidence of that, it's better to not burden your mind with that negativity.
Third, you aren't a statistic. You have to keep developing and getting better. Don't internalize the statistical oppression. Internalization is the worst form of oppression.
And, for people who aren't white men, oppression is a lived reality, not an abstract concept that you can attempt to rationalize away. It is both rational and justified to think that prejudice is a predominant factor in virtually everything, because it is.
Finally, oppression isn't "statistical." The people who cause those statistics have names, faces, and addresses. As do the people who act as their apologists. The personal is the political, but the political is also personal.
And there is no intrinsic racism against others by white men, where I'm from (Colombia) everyone is brown-ish but there is still a lot of racism against black people, just for being the majority not for being white.
I'm a white male. This shit is awesome. I won the genetic lottery.
Does anyone ever assume that I can't speak English - No
Does anyone ever assume that I might have body odor - No
Does anyone ever assume that I am not technical/intelligent before speaking to me - No
Am I ever physically/sexually harassed - No
If I move to any high tech friendly city anywhere in North America will I be in a minority and possibly have difficulty finding friends who understand my culture - No
Do I ever worry about little things like having to search for somewhere special to get my haircut - No (I've heard this is a problem for Black and possibly Asian people, I honestly have no idea)
Every door is open, no doors are closed.
It should be the same way for everybody, but right now it isn't and that is really unfortunate. Is it really too hard to recognize that others have it harder?
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Is not hard to also see it in statistics: Men are 68% vs Women; and between races White (non-hispanic) is the largest one: http://homeless.samhsa.gov/ResourceFiles/hrc_factsheet.pdf
White males can be minorities, too.
So this is the mind disease that "Amy" needs to cure:
> "I feel like I have no power, that this happened to
> me, and it’s my fault," she said. "I feel so
> betrayed. And, at this point, I don't really
> feel like I have it in me to fail again."
She didn't "fail" any more than the rest of the group "succeeded", it was a business transaction and had nothing to with her and everything to do with Google hiring more engineers. She now has a CEO type person who she can note as someone who doesn't have her interests at heart (the company representative in the negotiation should have gotten her a decent severance package from the deal) and she's been through a company from start to finish so she has an idea of what it takes. Armed with that experience and, if she's spent some time processing it, wisdom, she is in a position to start again and potentially be more effective. What part of the marketing worked? What part didn't? Were the traction issues product or messaging related? Did they reach their target audience? If not why not? Do the whole post mortem thing and learn.I've been doing this a long time and know it is rarely "about you." You're resume now has a startup with a "successful" exit (acquired by Google), almost everyone reading it will know that is a better outcome than Chapter 7 bankruptcy. (everyone went home and got nothing) You get the respect of having 'been around the block.' which is awesome. So if you do go into a startup situation again, this time as part of the negotiation you say to your potential boss, I want it in my offer that we're acqui-hired and they decide not to hire me, I'll get 6 months severance with benefits so that I can work on my next thing. That is an "easy" thing to agree too since it both clarifies your position in a future acquisition strategy, and it only pays off when the company is being acquired. The second startup I did the Marketing VP had this in their agreement because they knew, as marketing, they were associated more with the product/space and not simply tech talent that could easily be re-purposed[1].
Bottom line, it isn't you, it's never about you, its about what the company wants. Move along. For grins and giggles though check in with your engineer colleagues to see if they would have preferred not to be hired later on. Often such acquisitions include a "retention" clause which, in practice, means the acquiring company can put you (an engineer) on really crappy projects that nobody else wants and you're going to do it anyway because you're locked in for some amount of time to get your bonus. A friend of mine, who has been acquired by Cisco twice, we would ask "So, how long are you in for?" because for an entrepreneur, being stuck at BigCorp for 18, 24, or 36 months really wasn't a vacation.
[1] That engineers are fungible and marketing folks are not is of course not true but a lot of technical acquisitions treat it like it is I've found.
As for the OP's case - we only have only her side of the story. If the team jettisons one of their own when acquired, it may be that they are contemptible, or that she is and they were happy to get rid of her. Or, possibly both.
I would love to hear the other side, but I cannot help but think leaving one of your team to fend for themselves is not exactly the act of a standup person.
Where it will really hurt Google is not so much acquihires (where you're doomed otherwise, especially without other options), but when there's any competition. Taking 75% as much money overall but having a great work outcome for everyone for the next 2-6 years is probably worth it, especially if you ever plan to do a startup again.
Which is sad, because Google sounds like an amazing place to work (your concerns for early-career people might be valid, but for senior people, people in infosec, or people at Google Labs, it sounds awesome).
If you are running out of money and don't have a choice, then your employees are probably going to be rolled into an existing product, and at that point, there's probably not a lot of benefit to Google to hire sub-par employees, so they may not get an offer or might get less than in the above case.
It also depends on what your team does: A failing company that does hard core research and employs a bunch of Phds might be worth a lot more than a random social startup that just employs a bunch of randos.
Really, I guess I don't feel that sorry. People work their hearts out all over the world for little more than subsistence. Work and business is brutal and full of millions of sad stories.
The level of self entitlement displayed by the "startup culture" is astounding at times.
The company "decided to sell itself to Google as a last resort, after failing to find traction in the market". But the engineers got hired, so probably the product was good but the failure was in marketing, branding, etc. Who was in charge of that? "I did our user experience, our logo, the marketing – all that stuff," she said.
So the article could have been written "Strong technical team makes valuable product, but bad marketing and UI prevents success" and no one would be surprised that the engineers got hired and the marketing & design people didn't.
But that wouldn't fit with the sexism in tech narrative the author wanted, so let's ignore the most significant and obvious facts.
If a startup fails to find traction, there's no clear reason to blame anybody. Most startups do that.
I don't for a moment believe the startup actually failed due solely to the designer. And yet, it's more likely that the designer just wasn't google-quality than libelling google by claiming it was sexism that caused them to hire a few engineers but not the designer from a failed startup.
She wasn't an engineer. Perhaps they wanted engineers. Whats wrong with pointing out she happens to be cared for financially so won't have that to worry about? Its not the reason, its a fortunate circumstance.
Playing the sexism card is in rather poor taste. Did she complain when they took her on board because she suspected there was positive discrimination at play?
Doing 'the logo' and 'all that stuff' is suitably vague. Is she not fortunate to have got away with coining 60k for a lowly role in the first place?
And what's wrong with pointing out her external financial situation is that it is not relevant to the decisions of the business. Is it less wrong to screw over a girl with a rich boyfriend than it is to screw over anybody else?
Anyway recently a friend showed it to me on their phone and it turns out it's actually full of banal not-interesting-enough-for-twitter observations, obviously made-up half-jokes, and trite glurge nonsense that sounds like it was stolen from my grandmother's email forwards. In a way, this reality is even worse.
If you want to make more money, try to train in and work in a field that makes more money.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kZg_ALxEz0
Coffee's for closers.
It's a talking reality check.
Because she's not an engineer. The company folded, the underlying tech may have some value. The branded design? Her years of toil? Did the company have a cleaning person for the office as well?
Someone post this to /r/TumblrInAction already.