Response to OkCupid's blocking of Firefox users
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Furthermore, people have a right to their own opinions, and I don't want corporations digging through contribution records to dig up dirt on who someone gave money to. This seems shameful to me; we're talking about a country that values free speech.
"He is listed publicly as having donated to a campaign in support of California's Proposition 8 campaign in 2008, which had sought to ban gay marriage in the western US state." From: http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-26830383
Who knows why Mr. Eich gave this donation. Maybe he changed his mind since then. Maybe not. It should not matter. Correct me if I'm wrong -- and maybe I've naive -- but Mozilla should not be singled out for every action or donation that their CEO has taken. (Yes, I realize CEO's are high visibility people.)
I am happy OKCupid is promoting marriage equality, but I don't like this particular way of doing it.
I think Mozilla is a great organization and I don't like the idea of punishing Firefox users for Eich's views.
On the other hand, it's 2014 and being against gay marriage is a pretty retrograde position. If he were against interracial marriage, would we even be arguing about this? Would he even have been named CEO?
In 2008, the "moderate" position was to support civil unions, while opposing full equality. So that's what Obama did. Now, in 2014, the needle has shifted. Gay marriage has become increasingly mainstream.
Can you detail what you don't agree on? Happy to have a sane discussion here.
However, we both agree that its important to "[move on] and talk about the Web", and I also agree with several points you raised as to why that's the case. I also realize that by publishing that blog post, you were potentially opening yourself up to a fair bit of vitriol, and I respect that you were willing to do so anyway.
When are people going to understand that opposing gay marriage is not opposing gay people or the rights of gay people? Marriage didn't grow on trees, it's an artificial ceremony that happens to have associated laws and benefits. It also happens to have traditions. Marriage has an old fashioned vibe, it's no wonder so many people want it to remain between men and women.
I'm all for extending those laws and benefits to same-sex couples, and will even go to their unofficial weddings. But if most people want marriage to officially remain a man-woman thing, is that so bad? It's about upholding tradition, it's not a big deal. Human rights are not being suppressed here, it's just marriage.
AFAICT he _had_ to tell what company he was working for. On that very moment, I'm curious to known what went through his mind. Was there any hesitation? Was he realizing he was bringing Mozilla into this debate?
My personal believes is that whether this was deliberate (bringing Mozilla explicitly) or not (being "forced" to list his employer), this was a really bad move you - as a board advisor or investor - will have to deal with and take public actions against.
Had they blocked Firefox users because of a security hole or layout glitch, that'd be fine--many of us have done the same upon finding somebody hitting our site with IE6 and requesting that they upgrade.
Had they blocked Firefox because it was a competing product (as Microsoft has done at times), that'd make sense too, although it's a bit scummy.
The problem though is that they've elected to block a particular browser based solely on the third-order actions of an employee of that company exercising their right to free speech.
Legally, sure, they can do whatever they want, but we really ought to hold them to the same standard we seem to be holding Eich.
Note, for example, that he sent some money into a cause and then the gears of politics ground and spat out what he'd supported--whereas fully 12% of people on OKC (according to their statistics) have been denied service on a whim.
Even from a business standpoint, why would you inconvenience 12% of your customers? That's just silly. Because you can get away with it, because you are a gatekeeper of part of their social graph? That's just scummy.
This is not how we should be behaving as a community.
Also is donating money considered "free speech"? Is that how Citizens United won their Supreme Court case?
And yes, I'm pretty sure that campaign donations are considered free speech.