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The tragedy of TrueCar

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Problem: how to determine the lowest possible purchase price for a new car. Problem solved -- emphatically -- by TrueCar’s reverse-auction process, where buyers, and competing dealers who couldn’t help themselves, watched as new-car prices plunged. That was in 2011. Then, within months, thousands of car dealers across the country suddenly stopped dealing with TrueCar. The dealers claim they arrived at this decision individually. The FTC, however, is currently investigating possible illegal collusion and price-fixing. In any case, TrueCar’s money came from fees charged dealers who “won” reverse-auction bids to sell cars for less than the other guy. So that model was abandoned in order to protect dealers from themselves. Now, only buyers are able to view bids. Car prices, and TrueCar’s profits, have moved back up. TrueCar’s original business model apparently contained a contradiction, asking those who stood to lose the most to also pay for the privilege. But instead of abandoning the efficiency of the reverse auction, perhaps all we need is another revenue model. With TrueCar having lost its nerve, why shouldn’t another company offer reverse-auction automobile pricing -- this time supported by advertising on web and mobile?

I was the COO at AutoRef.

I am a little unclear what you mean by an advertising revenue model. There are two ways to implement this model: 1. Have dealers pay you to advertise their inventory on your site - similar to AutoTrader and traditional classified sites.

2. Run AdWords or some other advertisements on the site to earn money.

We had a true reverse auction platform where customers selected 3 identical/similar new/used vehicles and we initially pushed for a charge per car sold model (ie TrueCar). But many dealers had been turned off by TrueCar bad reputation and it's struggles with charging a similar brokering fee, so they weren't interested in AutoRef's service at all.

After that we went for a flat monthly fee but ultimately it was too little too late. So it's possible that your idea could work but we sure had a tough time implementing it.

TrueCar has always had a consistent revenue stream from its acquisition of Zag - which ran the car buying program for many car insurance company's, AAA, etc. This is a definite edge over a startup bootstrapping ad revenue.

Story about AutoRef: http://techcrunch.com/2013/04/11/like-a-carwoo-for-used-cars...

I tried shopping with TrueCar as an end-user (while seriously in the market for a car) and found the experience not very good. I put in the make/model I wanted and got a bunch of dealers calling me -- woohoo.

Car dealers seem to exhibit cartel-like behavior in various ways, so it seems like it will be difficult to drive real participation in a marketplace like this without proprietary demand (ie buyers at large scale that dealers wouldn't otherwise have access to).

The used car market might make a better entry point, because it's actually difficult to fully market a used car as a consumer, and aggregators like Carmax are known bottom-feeders, and their bid-ask spread is too high for the value they provide.

Another approach might be to do a hybrid involving car brokers or a merchant model, something more like what Zillow and Stubhub do.

If you do this, please invite me to your beta!

TrueCar was never a true "reverse auction" process. At its peak, they had close to 6,000 dealers participating. There are 17,000 new car dealerships in the US. To have a true reverse auction process, you need to have all dealers participating. Some high volume, low margin dealers refused to participate in TrueCar. If you didn't get a bid from them manually, you would have missed the best deal.

CarWoo attempted to create a better system. They actually came close, but ultimately failed.

It's easier said than done. One of the most difficult parts is to get dealers to participate.

It says TrueCar has 7000 dealers now here: http://money.cnn.com/2014/02/27/leadership/truecar-painter.p...

Sorry, I meant at its peak BEFORE dealers revolted.

Yes. All TrueCar claims now is "Don't overpay", the idea is just that TrueCar makes sure you don't get ripped off. It doesn't necessarily push the dealer to the limit on price. Dealers should have incentive to offer good deals though, because they make money through volume.

I think a reverse-auction situation could work very well on a small scale. Maybe you could make a simple app/system for running your own reverse-auction effectively/simply? Keep it relatively small so dealers don't put up a boycott or similar.

We already do that at haggledaddy.com :) Actual reverse auction.

Pardon me for being prickly - but is this a blog post, a question or a call to arms?

Not sure this is the correct format for any of those options.

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