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So Long Apple. The Party's Over

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I never really understood why it was Apple's responsibility to write the JDK for OS X, and not Sun's...

sun is a storage company now: http://www.sun.com/storagetek/index.jsp

/tongueincheek

Why should it be Sun's?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Write_once

I know about "Write Once", but it seems too much to expect support for every conceivable computing device anyway.

I suspect that Apple did not want to provide Sun to provide the JVM for Apple, though? Otherwise I don't know why Sun wouldn't provide it themselves.

Edit: only just saw that somebody else said exactly that, Apple wanted to do it for themselves.

"Lots of folks ask "why doesn't sun just do the JDK for Mac?". The real answer is "because Apple wanted to do it". They've wanted to do all sorts of customization and integration that only they could do - because they own the OS."

http://blogs.sun.com/jag/entry/solaris_and_os_x_continued

unprecedented arrogance of Steve Jobs and company

Unprecedented?

You must admit there's some irony in Joe Random lecturing Steve Jobs on how to run a business and using the word "arrogant" when doing so.

Anyone remember this?

"Java's not worth building in. Nobody uses Java anymore. It's this big heavyweight ball and chain..." -- SJ

http://www.informit.com/discussion/index.aspx?postid=d1e63fd...

In the original context it was J2ME on the iPhone - he was specifically asked about Flash and J2ME support for non apple apps.

This is really evil. Apple needs to realize that people use the Java JDK for purposes other than writing enterprise Java applications. Some run Python code above the JVM (Jython), for example. I use it to compile Java syntax to native javascript using GWT.

Bad move Apple.

Excellent point. I hear a lot of talk about running Rails on the JVM as well.

Rails developers also seem to love apple (and I have a mac laptop for my personal use as well). But when I was first getting into rails, it actually took me longer to get up and running on the Mac, (at the time, OS X shipped with a broken Ruby,though this wasn't a huge factor in my difficulties). Not sure if this is still the case, but I only managed to get it all installed because the rails community is mac-centric enough that there were independent posts on how to deal with the quirks of mac installation.

When Mac went to OS X, a lot of developers came thundering back to Apple. And I'd still much rather remain in a Unix world than deal with windows. But I sincerely hope that Apple values the developer commmunity that they've attracted enough to keep it around.

This article would have been so much more interesting if it had said, "Not only did Leopard not ship with Java 6, but Apple, in typical fashion, apparently thinks it has no obligation to its customers to inform them it replaced Java with Haskell" :)

so, how ashamed should I be that I just checked for some haskell on my fresh leopard install?

Java is a crappy language. It doesn't bother me one way or the other if it's broken in Leopard. I don't want your nasty Java GUI apps defiling my Mac desktop anyway.

Good riddance!

I think they're referring to the JVM, not the language.

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