Microsoft Said To Be Considering A Free Version Of Windows 8.1
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I used to think it was a big deal until I realized I stopped using the Dock on OSX in favor of Spotlight to launch stuff. When I started using Win8 and learned that I basically could keep the same habits by hitting the Windows key and typing the first few characters of what I wanted to launch, I stopped caring about the start menu.
I used to think the idea of a touchscreen laptop was stupid, but Win8 works for me, and my main machine is still a Macbook Pro. I have a Surface Pro that I use in place of my original iPad, and I think Win8 is quite good in tile mode or desktop mode. It's still hurting in the area of power management though.
Yes the crappy start menu was removed and replaced with the start screen. The desktop hasn't changed at all.
List of features removed in Windows Vista & 7: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_features_removed_in_Win...
I wonder if I will be accused of astroturfing just because this is my first HN comment.
More windows 8 machines sounds like my nightmare. The worst part is Windows 7 is actually good, and will run IE 9 and 10 - both decent browsers by MS standards.
grumblesigh
If you don't like Windows that is fine, but with a few check boxes Windows 8 isn't very different that Windows 7. Enable boot-to-desktop, disable hot-corners, set the Start button to take you to apps, change file associations to non-metro apps. Just last week I setup a Windows 8 computer for a co-worker that was using Windows 7 and he hasn't had a single question about it.
Only on the Internet do I see people have these caustic reactions to Windows 8, in the real world but are just slightly annoyed that something changed or they aren't and then they just move on.
At first, Win8 was a huge shock to my system. I didn't get it, and I also fixated on the loss of the Start Menu.
But things changed once I found a decent video that explained Win8 on YouTube. Things weren't nearly as different or as bad as I had thought.
I give Ubuntu desktop a run every year to see if I could use it full time, and every time, I uninstall it, thinking "maybe next year". One of the main reasons is that it never feels as well put together as OSX or Windows <-- this is purely subjective for my use case, ymmv. For all of Windows inconsistencies, I still feel more at home using Windows than Ubuntu.
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Anyway, Microsoft definitely needs to do something to eradicate the 29% of desktop users that are still using Windows XP which is a security disaster-waiting-to-happen.http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share....
I installed 8 on a crusty old 2004 laptop, and it runs at roughly the same speed. MS did a surprisingly good job with Windows 8 in that regard.
Your imagination is completely wrong. Here are the minimum specifications:
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/system-requirem...
IIRC even the minimum screen resolution of 1366x768
Your memory is also completely wrong. Windows 8.1 does not have a minimum resolution of 1366x768. In fact, if you review the system requirements link above, you'll see that it works at less than 1024x768 but that certain features require 1024x768.
Can you help me understand the purpose of your comment? I mean, obviously - you had no idea what you were talking about. You even knew it because you used weasel words like, "I imagine" or "IIRC". It makes me think you had some agenda to spread FUD about Windows 8.1 not working on older hardware.
http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/en_US/pdp/Windows-...
> Required memory 2GB
> Required video card 1366 × 768 screen resolution; DirectX 9 graphics processor with WDDM driver
This links to the Verge which repackaged the original ZDNet article: http://www.zdnet.com/microsofts-monetization-dilemma-bundlin...
Meanwhile, the other two major desktop OSes are completely free. Upgrades too. The notion of paying for the basic software that makes your computer work is quickly becoming outmoded.
And you're also not counting the reduction in cost from the bundled crapware that comes on most every OOTB PC.
The Pro's impressive innovations in size and design, in my mind, were done for the sake of bragging rights than for practicality.
This is about what is normal. My desktop machines have ALWAYS had more than just the boot drive. My laptops have NEVER had anything but the boot drive.
MS wouldn't be the first software company to find that their system and method for causing customers to exchange cash for software is losing its potency in light of gradual technology and associated cultural changes.
They are a powerful, cashed up, profitable company and this is competition.
I have a pretty beefy machine, but I spent less than $2000.
I keep coming back to Windows for the games. Once Steam's streaming functionality is nailed down, I figure I'll build a nice beefy shoebox machine, throw Windows on it, put that box in the corner, and use the mini or a laptop as my main machine.
http://tkware.info/blog/2013/01/27/hypocrisy-thy-name-is-ton...
http://tkware.info/blog/2013/01/29/honor-among-thieves-the-t...
Windows on the other hand is a big deal to MS revenue. Its Apples vs Oranges, no pun intended. Obv. thats a bad situation for MS to be in and they will need to adopt, but please stop thinking Apple did this out of good-will.
Anyway, MSFT should really just charge Enterprises for software, give it away to consumers, and monetize services/devices, as they have stated.
Charging any amount of money for a consumer OS is stupid: it's not about the revenue but getting lock-in to the ecosystem. Microsoft is in dire risk of losing the consumer mindshare (to the extent that they already haven't).
Startups are all using Apple products. Go to almost any large corporation and you're going to see a lot larger proportion of Mac products than 5-10 years ago (MacBooks).
I don't believe it can be understated what a potential disaster this represents for Microsoft.
At home? After the utter drubbing that Win8 took in the Media? When the owner of the biggest gaming platform on the OS has said they want to move away from it?
The reasons to use Windows at home are slowly drying up.
Edit: Probably is all off these put together, nowadays most users simply do not expect to pay for an updated OS.
Printing is the Achilles heel, however there are new printers out that have Cloud Print built in.
However, a agree, it is a game changer.
It's an OS that really appeals to MS's core audience. Why mess with it?
I have my Windows 8 machine set to boot straight to desktop mode, and I have the start menu back; so it's pretty similar to using Windows 7. But every now and then you accidentally open up an app or file in Metro mode, and it's a really disorienting experience when one of my windows is in metro mode and the other is in desktop mode.
The core issue of Windows 8 is that it tries to merge two pretty good UI concepts together, and in the process makes both worse. I like Metro as a tablet and phone UI. I like the Windows 7 UI for desktop computing. It's when you have to use Metro on a desktop or Windows 7 windowing on a tablet that it all goes to hell.
I would suggest that MS end this, and make Windows 9 the best traditional Windows it can. Aim it at businesses and people who want to use the same OS they use at work at home. Focus on networking and cloud support (take OneDrive even further), improving multithreaded support (make it easier for developers to harness 4-12 and more core computers) and improving the file system.
The UI concepts of Windows 7 are pretty good. You can iterate on the UI and add new features like Apple does with OS X, but there is no reason to get away from windowing for desktop computing. It's a conceptual model that works well, particularly for power users and work that benefits from multiple-monitors and multitasking.
Microsoft should then spin off Metro into its own OS without the Windows name, while still using the Windows kernel. This is what Apple does with iOS, and it works very well.
I use OS X at home, and think Mavericks is what MS should be aiming for, not Windows 8. Mavericks is the best desktop OS I've ever used, and, while I really like iOS, I wouldn't want to use iOS on my desktop computer.
http://blogs.computerworld.com/microsoft_strikes_back_at_lin...
(Money talks. Microsoft has a lot of money.)
I'd put the Chromebook up there as one of the first netbooks that were not horrible.
Heck the netbook as a concept has been rather dormant before the Chromebook came along.
When you say developer friendly, what do you mean by that? Seems to me you can develop more or less whatever you want in numerous different ways. Are you talking about developing on the core?
As for open sourcing a previous version, there's always something like ReactOS, http://www.reactos.org/.
Again, are we talking about developing applications to run on Windows or developing on the core?
I imagine this will actually cause more harm than good to the brand.
It's not a question of money (free) but of simplifying the experience. It's a bloody mess!
(#) Admittedly I didn't use Windows 8 often (mostly worked with Mountain Lion and Ubuntu 13.04/13.10 however I was a longtime Windows user before (Win98 to 7).
PS: I could have sworn I saw XP workstations running on the ISS while watching NASA archives couple days ago. I do not know how recent the archive footage was...
As of 2010, the Space Station was equipped with 68
ThinkPad A31 computers along with 32 new Lenovo ThinkPad
T61p laptops plus a dedicated IP phone which also has
limited video phone capabilities. Work incorporating
those laptops into the station's LAN continued into June
2011. All laptops aboard the ISS are connected to the
station's LAN via Wi-Fi and are connected to the ground
at 3 Mbit/s up and 10 Mbit/s down, comparable to home DSL
connection speeds.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ThinkPad#Use_in_spaceFor non-technical people, is losing Windows XP customers to Linux even an issue for Microsoft?
They do have a good point about combating Chromebooks with a free version of Windows. Will it run efficiently on Chromebook level hardware? The Acer C720 is a Haswell Celeron with 4GB of RAM which should be plenty. I'd be concerned about the OS footprint on the SSD more than anything. 32GB vs 16GB would double the storage cost of the machine.
I'm not sure how OSX is accounted, but I suppose it's now defined as upgradable software coming with the hardware, the same way drivers are just software for a device already paid.
Would Windows follow the same way of thinking and be free when bought OEM (as the article hints at) or have a really free tier that anyone could download for any hardware supported ?
It would be nice to have Microsoft let go a lower/barebone tier of windows and focus on a premium version and additional services (unlimited skydrive integration with automatic backups for instance) for profits.
Why don't they give Windows for free ?
I think you know the reason, its because they make a shit load of money selling it.
It's not at all clear that they would be better off giving it away for free.
If I was them I'd rather make less money now and stay relevant for the next 20 years than satisfy my immediate greed and disappear* in the next decade ...
* disappear is too strong but my English being limited I don't have the word I need to convey what I mean.
The only question is whether it declines because they make it free, or because fewer people will be buying and using it.
(Note, I haven't checked the 25% part, but their last quarter's revenue was ~$24bn).
Unless MS find a way for the people to genuinely like the products they peddle to the Devices and Services target audience - their cash will last only so far.
Google bought YouTube. Which appears to have been a very successful way to buy its way into video.
"Guys, I know we've been making around $20 billion a year selling Windows licenses but this guy jmnicolas on Hacker News is suggesting we should give it away".
"That's... brilliant... Why didn't we think of that before?"
Here's what I said MSFT should do and it looks like they're on their way:
Have a free version of windows that sends back analytics, displays ads every now and then etc.
The normal version of windows that's for enterprise/government/the rest will get a significant price bump.
I made the mistake of not putting my prediction on the internet before the free version was released. Now we wait for the price bump.
http://www.cnet.com.au/microsoft-eyes-making-desktop-apps-fr...
That's from 2005.
Seriously, doesn't this fall under monopoly no-nos?
Plus the article talks about a free version, which would imply that the relationship is similar.
Ubuntu has paid enterprise services: http://www.canonical.com/services
I don't think I've ever seen Mint deployed in an enterprise environment, at least not in a standard 'big business'