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> Worst case, you could imagine Mario walking in front of the background and his shape shifting madly with every step he took?

This brings up something interesting: In terms of media containing sprites and minimal layering (e.g. NES-like games), wouldn't it be computationally cheaper to perform the scaling on the sprites and textures independently of one another, instead of post-processing? I wonder if there is any emulator that does this. I'm thinking not, as the NES wouldn't be capable of layering such detail (large sprites + textures). Upsampling emulators.. Hmm...

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It'd be kind of hard, as what makes up a "sprite" lives in two different places - one that stores all the tile data, and another that basically describes which tiles make up which sprites. The latter is likely to change every frame, and potentially the former, too, so you'd still be rescaling some stuff every frame. You'd also have to rescale some things that are affected by palette changes, which sometimes change every frame (popular way to animate water, for example). Would you end up saving time this way? I'm not really sure. It's definitely an interesting idea.

i dont understand, as long as you figure out how to get the sprites into the right formats this would be immensely computationally cheaper ("time-saving"?) than post-processing every frame

The thing is, there's no "right format" for sprites, as they're used in the game. See http://benfry.com/deconstructulator/ for an example of how sprites are handled by the NES for Super Mario Bros. Mario is split into 8x8 pieces that are swapped out as needed: how do you determine which pieces are "Mario's sprite" and which are "that coin's sprite"? Remember that some pieces will change while others won't.

yea i dont doubt it would be complex & to build an upsampling sprite rendering engine you'd have to understand all this stuff. With old games like this it would probably involve some manual work cuz you'd have to recompose images, smooth as a unit, then decompose somehow back to the original tiling. I mean.... I'm not gonna do it & wouldn't bother trying

the computational price will be much much cheaper tho. swap in upsampled sprite (36 tiles to every 1 in old format, let's say) rather than post-processing every single frame in real-time with a smoothing/upsampling algorithm.

it would also keep the pieces distinct from each other rather than having objects/characters/backgrounds morph in & out of one another

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