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> I said, find a new reason to hate Microsoft.

OK. I'm pissed that they dropped the deployment tools from Visual Studio. [1]

People keep saying that the desktop is dying, but PC makers still managed to sell over 300M units last year. But if the desktop market ever does truly die, I think Microsoft can be said to have had a part in that.

[1] I'm not actually pissed. I moved on to WiX, but since you asked I felt pressured to come up with something.

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Which development tools?

They dropped the setup project (deployment). If they had dropped the development tools from VS, I'm not not sure what would be left. [edited (twice) for clarity]

Sorry, misread. Which deployment tools are you missing?

Setup deployment projects went wayward in VS2012. The 3rd party incumbent company suggested by MS is charging for an underwhelming product as an alternative replacement.

The templates for building setup projects.

Even though it was limited, it was very useful. I lost a fair number of days trying to rebuild setups from scratch using other solutions.

What happens when VS2013 hasnt been used for a while then whilst being offline you fire it up? Im referring to requiring a login here... whats the expected behaviour?

It doesn't do that. I clicked "not now" and never signed in. That was weeks ago.

Currently on an offline machine I cannot use VS 2013, I get a modal with the only option being "Exit Visual Studio". Last time I used VS was 22/12/2013. This is really fucked IMHO.

Express or Pro?

Ultimate 2013 http://www.pixbin.us/tottg0

My 2013 Pro from MSDN doesn't do anything like that.

Edit: I just span up a copy fo the virtual machine snapshot and it didn't say anything even though that had been technically not used and has no network connection.

The fact they say it expires in "Int32.MaxValue" days is worrisome. But hey those stale licenses, we gotta fuck those guys up...

Yeah that sucks. I wish you luck with that and will keep my eyes peeled for issues here. We gave 50 seats so trouble like this would be nice to avoid.

It would seem that if you have a partner license your royally screwed. http://www.itwriting.com/blog/8075-visual-studio-license-exp...

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