When You Fall in Love, This Is What Facebook Sees
theatlantic.com
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The fact that people make fewer posts on Facebook as they become closer might mean something, in general, about the kinds of relationships that Facebook sustains.
Facebook is the modern equivalent of a Christmas card...It's a way of maintaining surface-level contact with many people: letting them know that you care...but you don't necessarily care enough to catch up through a more direct and personal medium.
Communicating with your closest friends or your partner mainly through a Christmas card would be silly, in my opinion; we tend to choose less distant methods of communication. So, it's not surprising that people would exchange fewer posts with close friends, as well as romantic partners, as they get to know them.
Those are just my two cents, speaking from experience and observation. I'm sure HN has a range of opinions about this, and I'm interested in hearing other people's perspectives.
[1] https://www.stanford.edu/dept/soc/people/mgranovetter/docume...
[2] http://personal.stevens.edu/~ysakamot/BIA658/man/week4/burt....
It was then that I realized that every inference they make about you means big business. It means they can now target ads specific to your relationship tendencies on Valentines day, her birthday, his birthday, on your anniversary date, and so on. They can also pick up on events like break-ups and target ads toward you even then. Just another manifestation of Big Data.
I remember hearing about a scientist that used symbolic regression on some of his data sampled from microorganisms of some kind. Eventually it discovered an equation that described the data perfectly. But he can't publish it because no one understands it or can figure out why it works.
What you're experiencing post-breakup is merely Facebook normal mode, which your girlfriend was protecting you from. (I'm aware of the targeting rule due to work on Internet advertising and aware of Facebook normal mode due to being a single 20-something male for the majority of my Facebook history.)
There's nobody at Facebook who said "Single? Hit him with all the dating ads!", it's an emergent consequence of that policy rule, auction-esque mechanisms for ad placement, and the measurable behavior of most people demographically similar to you, which is that they click on cleavage but buy virtually nothing as a result of Facebook ads.
For example, when you target your Facebook ad you can pick those who have just traveled somewhere, or even “intenders”—those, I assume, who only think about traveling.
You can also target your ads to people in long-distance relationships already. There seems to be no way to specify that explicitly in your Facebook profile, and yet Facebook provides the category for advertisers.
> The "Sex" targeting parameter must be set to either "Men" or "Women" and cannot be both
It was a nice change from "we want smart, educated Asian women to donate eggs for $10k+" though.
Must be me, but this level of data mining was for me the reason to leave.
This stuff can be done while keeping peoples privacy intact.
This is preposterous. You would rather be manipulated better? Seriously... This is not a teneble position. Most people would prefer white noise. What you are espousing are simply the talking points of the advertsing indusrty. This is like a congressman thanking the lobbyist for "educating" him on the issues.
That being said targeted advertising infringes on your privacy. Rail against it for that reason. Don't make false assertions that people would prefer random advertising than advertising that they may actually be able to use.
If we assume that a white noise advertising is less effective than a targeted advertising then it is in the interest of most people to prefer the former because a benevolent advertiser is a rare bird in real life.
I admit, I would rather the information come in a less obnoxious form in many instances, but let's not kid ourselves that ads have no informational content. Given that they produce some level of useful information, increasing the the level of usefulness without reducing privacy seems a laudable goal.
Every piece of knowledge has an opportunity cost.[1] To make this point more explicit, the cost is asymetric. Advertising is no different than a drunk on a subway or a schizophrenic homeless person shouting nonsense to a passerby. Yes, they are communicating information. Let me put a bunch of this "information" in front of an advertsing executive's home in Atherton, and watch him call the police and have his lawyer write a letter to the housing association to change the zoning code. And then, the circle of life (and information, and special interests) will be complete/. =D
[1] To paraphrase Nietzche.
And just like IRL, online advertising is the same way. Who makes the rules is just a matter of people's self-respect. It turns out that wealth white people find it degrading to be subject to advertising, so they put all of those ads for menthol ciggarettes in and alchohol in the black people's neighborhoods.
So what's the online equivalent to wealthy white people keeping large obnoxious advertising out of their neighborhoods, and the advertising dollars being redirected towards less affluent or influential people? Who are the elites in this situation?
The issue about "better targeting" is that the delterious elements of advertising do not go away. This is the reason why sometimes we decline to take a phone call in the middle of the meeting. Its not always the targeting, the content, or the message that it counter-productive. Sometimes it is the time and the context.
So it is not just that privacy is protected, or not. Nor is it sufficient that "better targeting" should be an excuse to increase attack surface for placing adds; or that "more secure" should increase the attack surface for data-intensive surveilance and information gathering.
Part of the art of marketing is reaching people in a constructive way. Advertising is not always the way to do that. No matter how "well targeted" it is. That is why we have PR and lobbying, informal networking, social circles, and country clubs, alumni networks...etc. And why we don't accept advertisments in front of phone calls like we do at the movies. Etc.
I simply have never had my life enhanced by them in the slightest. Curated ads on blogs with content I appreciate are different. But that's editorial curation.
Which is fine, and is in line with my point, which is that given ads, making them more useful without increasing the negatives, is a net win. I'm not arguing that we have seen that, just that if we could, that's a good thing.
Distilled this down to its most basic form, names on the front of shops are advertising. To someone looking for a specific shop, they serve an immediate and useful purpose. To those just trying to enjoy a stroll down the street, they may seem annoying eye-sores. At any future date, those roles could be reversed.
Like most things in life, advertising spans a spectrum, in this case from almost entirely useful with few negative side effects (reasonably represented shop names), to entirely useless (long boring message about a product you couldn't use, event if you wanted to). I see no reason not to try to eliminate as much of the latter as possible.
This is preposterous. You would rather be
manipulated better? Seriously... This is
not a teneble position.
I watch youtube videos about electronics [1]. Some of the content I watch is created by full-time video bloggers who rely on ad revenue to keep producing content. I figure skipping all ads isn't universalisable, so I watch ads from time to time.Sometimes I get interesting ads which do things like tell me about the new features I'd get if I upgraded my 10-year-old CAD software to the latest version, or if I brought a newer digital storage oscilloscope. These are things I could conceivably want, and that I'm interested to be told about.
Other times I get videos for "latest horroscopes in hindi, the dynamics of capricorn" which there is no chance of me watching ever.
Is it so hard to believe that, given I am going to see adverts, they might as well be adverts with some relevance to my interests?
This is an interesting concept, subjecting yourself to manipulation as a form of payment for a service. Of course if the ads are genuinely useful some of the time, it might be worth it. Or if you believe that ads don't affect you. And that you are somehow tricking companies to waste money on ads that are ineffective.
But there is an argument to be made that advertisements do affect you without your knowledge and that watching them is a net loss.
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Now I'm not opposed to advertising, and I think advertising can benefit companies and consumers. But we need to start a debate about the usefulness of advertising to separate good advertising from bad. Please pick apart my example above. I'm sure my argument has weaknesses, and I'd love to know what they are.
I don't know the right answer, but I think there's a balance to be struck.
There is another way to look at it. "Manipulation" is sometimes necessitated by poor targeting.
The moment I break up with my girlfriend if someone shoves an Ad on my face for a dating site, I would find it very irritating.
This article makes me angry.
4 years ago, I met a girl and we added each other on Facebook. For a year, she saw my posts, but Facebook was hiding all her posts from me.
Ultimately we ran into each other again and fell in love. But it really sucks that I didn't see that year of her life while it was happening. Facebook simply decided not to show her in my timeline.
I wish that my friendships and relationships were not judged by an algorithm or censored without my knowledge. Machine learning et al are great for numerical tasks, but let's not try to treat emotions quantitatively. I would hope that we have a better sense of our emotions than computers reading just a fraction of my communications with someone.
There's probably a startup idea here. Digitalize photo albums and show them on a web interface.
Perhaps I am a bit of a stick in the mud? Besides, if I liked a girl as the parent said, I would much rather be with her (literally!) than feeling cheated that I couldn't observe portions of her life that she chose to share as served to my handheld device. It's like viewing life through a tiny viewfinder instead of looking around a bit more.
Different lifestyles I suppose.
This looks like a very small effect but one with a very distinct form so I'd be curious to see the details.
More details would help to reduce the skepticism.
They have macro data which is interesting, but yeah, the utility of this for individuals? It's Complicated
Facebook. Fire some data "scientists." Especially any that came from OK Cupid's marketing department.
If you grant Amazon access to your timeline, they will pre-deliver love-dove gifts to your poke-ee before you even know to order them.
Or how about they notify all your friends: "John is sharing 1.65 posts/day with Janet but only 1.32 posts/day with his girlfriend Jane. Click here to suggest he dumps Jane and starts a new relationship with Janet."
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2012/02/16/how-targe...
Is one of them a mean, for example? What is the variance in these data? My gf and I only post on each other's pages once per month, max, for example, yet we ust be part of this "study." The variance is especially important because the six-month span from top to bottom (1.66 - 1.54 = 0.12) is large compared to mean of the whole graph (~1.60).
What kind of selection criteria were used to create this graph? How many couples? What ages? What countries? (I don't accept "worldwide" b/c I don't accept that people of all countries post at the same rate).
This "information" has all the marks of Facebook trumpeting their macho data muscles to impress advertisers and the Atlantic flexing their paranoia muscle to stoke reader's outrage. I suspect those black dots are simply graphical saccharine to give the aesthetic appearance of "data."
Mine is just for fun, or rather just to speculate on something interesting from a geeky perspective to see what that perspective reveals about ourselves. Soon after making it I saw a plot some guy made of the number of texts between him and his girlfriend that vaguely resembled my plots. The Facebook plot doesn't continue to a relationship's decline, so it can't compare completely, but it does suggest we can quantify some interesting patterns and see what they reveal about us.
If there's anything most of us would like, it's to understand our passions and attractions to improve these emotions and the relationships they lead to.
It would be sad if the only entities using the data were companies that sell ads like Facebook and Google, and not ourselves.
Also, if you like data analysis like this on relationships, be sure to check out Okcupid's Oktrends -- http://blog.okcupid.com.
I guess it is a change but that is still just posting 1-2 times on the wall per day.
This is why pop psychology is generally reviled by psychologists.
Edit: I found it here: https://www.facebook.com/feeds/notes.php?id=8394258414&viewe... - I didn't realize I'd have to click through the "see more" link on the time-line.
[0] a really large one, so that I recognised it's brand while never been outside Europe
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/19/magazine/shopping-habits.h...
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2012/02/16/how-targe...