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Speaking as someone whose pictures ended up on Facebook (without me even having a Facebook account), I can't even begin to describe how frustrated I feel about this. I basically have no option of recourse, because there's a revised culture thanks to Facebook which tells me it's outside of my hands now. I can't request my peers to take down group photos that include me (or even photos with only me) because I'd sound like a dick if I did. For this reason I really hope that some black hats, upon finding some 0days or something, just do something to bring this behemoth down. So please, when you find something, don't disclose vulnerabilities to FB, disclose them to dark corners of the blackhats' residences.

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>> " I can't request my peers to take down group photos that include me (or even photos with only me) because I'd sound like a dick if I did. For this reason I really hope that some black hats, upon finding some 0days or something, just do something to bring this behemoth down. So please, when you find something, don't disclose vulnerabilities to FB, disclose them to dark corners of the blackhats' residences."

So rather than speak to your friends about photos that you are in you would prefer hackers to takedown Facebook and for your friends to lose all their photos and other content...

If you're concerned don't let people take pictures of you. If you are as concerned as you sound don't leave the house. People can take your picture in public and do what they like with it. This is only going to happen more and more as cameras get smaller and put in more places.

No way to stop Facebook's unethical operations.

"Don't leave the house haw haw" is not a valid response to objections to Facebook's unethical operations.

>> ""Don't leave the house haw haw" is not a valid response to objections to Facebook's unethical operations."

My point was that this is nothing to do with Facebook. If you go out in public people can take your picture and they can put it on any website they wish. They can publish it in print media too. Facebook preventing you from taking down any photo you appear in isn't unusual - it seems like the best option they have. If group photos started disappearing from my account because one of my friends who voluntarily appeared in them was paranoid I'd be pissed off. For a lot of people that's the only copy of the photo they have. To Facebook it's a choice between pissing off users and satisfying the paranoid who don't even use Facebook. Seems like a simple choice to me.

> If you are as concerned as you sound don't leave the house. People can take your picture in public and do what they like with it.

sounds like exactly the kind of attitude that

>> I basically have no option of recourse, because there's a revised culture thanks to Facebook which tells me it's outside of my hands now.

is complaining about.

What does this have to do with Facebook? Anyone can take a picture and share it without your consent.

Facebook made that behaviour normal, and it provides tagging and facial recognition to make it easier.

Privacy controls were changing.

Posting to groups is slightly trickier than it needs to be. (I only ever post photos to public or to a single group, but selecting that group takes a couple of clicks).

While I can agree that these problems are not exclusive to Facebook I am far more likely to have the problem on Facebook than other networks because of the sheer size of the FB userbase.

> Facebook made that behavior normal

No, that behavior has existed since newspapers started printing pictures. You touch on your real problem with Facebook, and that is its size. That's it.

You touch on your real problem with Facebook, and that is its size. That's it.

There's the saying, "Quantity has a quality all its own." Turning a thing from an "occasionally" into an "always" can effectively change the nature of the thing entirely.

Yes, because of the internet, your friends can take pictures of you and share them online. You won't tell them to not take pictures of you, nor will you ask them not to share them online.

That's the internet's responsibility.

If Facebook uses its size to socially engineer users into uploading photos of others, then that's Facebook's responsibility.

Facebook made that behaviour normal

What, before Facebook you never showed up in your friends' photo album? Or your friends just never let anyone see their photo album? Because I know neither of those were true for me.

My friends' photo albums weren't online or had low pagerank or were otherwise unlikely to return anything for a search of my name.

Most people won't tag you if you don't have an account, and I don't think you will show up in a search even if tagged, if you don't have an account.

> I can't request my peers to take down group photos that include me (or even photos with only me) because I'd sound like a dick if I did.

I have friends who have asked exactly this of me. Being a friend, I took the photos down.

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