De La Soul to Make Entire Catalog Available for Free
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Notice that they give out copies of their songs, but don't release their copyright: want to download their music to listen to it on your iPod? Awesome, enjoy. Want to remix it or use it in a commercial setting? The music isn't licensed for that, you're going to have to talk to their agents.
This move is genius: it increases artists' exposure, ultimately leading to increased sales, licensing, and presumably also concert revenues. There's basically no downside to this.
They can't give out any kind of licenses for these songs, because the rights for the samples they're built from are a tangled mess.
TL;DR They're doing this to build their email list to create a direct channel for marketing future material.
Only if people actually find out who De La Soul is. Considering they started in 1987 and their last album was out in 2009, I'm not sure most kids this side of 1997 really know who they are or care about their music.
It would be cool if they did get the exposure. I feel without a concentrated PR campaign, besides a few articles over the next few days, not sure their sales are going to get a big bounce from doing this.
This is really depressing because most kids think of hip-hop as music only. I was taught hip-hop is a culture. Breakdancing, music, and graffiti are integral parts of the culture. It has such a rich, vibrant history that's disappearing as more and more suburban kids gravitate towards rap. Sure they know Kayne and Jay-Z. Do they know about Sofles, Dondi and Phase 2? Doubtful. Do they about the Rock Steady Crew or the Super Cr3w? No way.
Too many kids just think hip-hop = rap which is depressing.
Insane video of Sofles - Limitless: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pv-Do30-P8A
Here's a viewpoint, coming from a different place, but with the same recognition of the one-dimensional quality of commercial rap, from a lover of hip-hop as a verbal art form --
http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2009/09/all...
"I think that mix of vulnerability, confidence and honesty was why our mothers loved [Prince]. I think that was the sort of alchemy we missed in hip-hop. We got close a few times--notably De La Soul on Buddy or Eye Know, or The Roots on Silent Treatment or You Got Me. Also, there are a few Outkast joints. But we never achieved that sort of confidence--that sort of true manhood."
Another viewpoint is from DJ Shadow ("Why Hip Hop Sucks in '96") -- it's the money.
Come to think of it, not even that insane.
in my opinion.
EDIT: I also go to Lakes Of Fire, Burning Man, etc. I may not be representative of larger groups.
Considering $400 for 3 days of EDM at 30? Most people don't even spend $100 per years for concerts at that point.
Getting their music out there increases their visibility and, therefore, desirability, meaning more people will be willing to pay to see them live.
One trouble is that booking artists for live shows is (or used to be) very driven by album sales, so perhaps we'll start seeing other interesting metrics - like Youtube/FB followers, # downloads, etc - achieving the status a "more official" indicator.
If everyone did it though, they'd be back where they started in terms of visibility, and short the money they were earning through album sales.
Maybe so, which is why it is a good idea to be first.
> and short the money they were earning through album sales.
But if you aren't selling a lot of albums, or if your profit per album is low, then you aren't risking much.
Internet playlists (today's mix-tapes?) and college-radio probably have the greatest chance of becoming famous. Live venues work for local markets (Austin in particular), but breaking out onto the national stage is tough.
There is a nice link to buy tickets to their concert at Shephard's Bush Empire in London in May. Now very tempted.
Well, if their primary source of revenue were the releases, then the switch to digital (and the ease of just getting it from a pirate say even for people who would have ordinarily bought the LP/CD), then their total revenue is significantly harmed to begin with.
So, with sales hampered, mostly gimmicks like merchandise remain (for bands that catter to immature people buying branded t-shirts and the like, e.g not gonna really work for jazz or classical or tons of other genres).
And, of course, concerts. But those mostly apply to genres and bands with big enough fanbases to be able to have concerts and make a buck. For the rest, concerts are mostly lossing money (and were historically loss leaders for records sales for most bands).
The earliest De La Soul albums were jam packed with samples that wound up getting them hit with a few lawsuits/out-of court settlements that severely hampered their ability to release this music in various new media/formats. They're definitely an artifact of the more wild-west times of hip-hop sampling.
De La negotiated their contracts well before Internet distribution and revenue was germane. Oddly, this is sometimes described as distribution "throughout the universe". This is actually not an uncommon problem for artists from this era who relied heavily on samples (i.e., hip-hop).
Would they have cleared samples used on their albums "in perpetuity", giving De La the widest distribution license available (read: for use forever), we would not be talking about De La Soul releasing music for free online. We'd be buying it on iTunes and they'd be compensated for it. End of story.
Instead, De La makes most of their money off CD sales and touring, which is a tough spot as CDs are entering obsolescence and touring, especially at their age, must be grueling. On the flip side, the good news here is De La Soul and early hip-hop pioneers are seeing a resurgence (IMHO well-deserved) and getting the music out there by any means necessary is a crucial step to be heard. Go see them on tour, buy their gear or even a CD (ha) if you're feeling it.
Missing AOI: Bionix now, because
Error (509) This account's public links are generating too much traffic and have been temporarily disabled!
I'm not sure about the legality of sharing what I got - as I said, I finished 5 out of 6 downloads, missing just AOI: Bionix (well, the last one to click in the mail...).
Edit: Yeah.. The people who did this? Not technical.. ;-)
inflating: __MACOSX/De La Soul Is Dead/._.DS_Store
Edit2: I even got a Thumbs.db!
http://de-la-soul.s3.amazonaws.com/downloads/3-Feet-High.zip
http://de-la-soul.s3.amazonaws.com/downloads/De-La-Soul-Is-D...
http://de-la-soul.s3.amazonaws.com/downloads/Buhloone-Mindst...
http://de-la-soul.s3.amazonaws.com/downloads/Stakes-Is-High....
http://de-la-soul.s3.amazonaws.com/downloads/Art-Official-In...
http://de-la-soul.s3.amazonaws.com/downloads/AOI-Bionix.zip
http://de-la-soul.s3.amazonaws.com/downloads/Remixes-Raritie...
Edit : I can confirm, they are 320 mp3s
http://bit.ly/1dOAbq9+ (preview)
Having said that, I can't help but get nitpicky about a few things (I hope you take this as constructive criticism).
Filling in the blanks: Jackhigh is from the UK, Odd Nosdam is from the midwest but lives in Berkeley, Nocow is Russian (St. Petersburg). Shlohmo is from Los Angeles, not New York. Lunice is from Montreal, not the UK. Dakim is definitely from Detroit, but moved to California a while back. Mike Slott is marked as New York, where he lives now, but he's originally from Glasgow.
Ssaliva and Cupp Cave are the same person. His occasional collaborator Dem Hunger (who is an insane genius) seems only to be releasing music under the Wanda Group moniker of late. Jeremiah Jae is included, as is his older group material with Young Black Preachers, but not the newer stuff as Black Jungle Squad. The DJ for that group, Pbdy, signed to Brainfeeder not too long ago, runs a few regular nights in LA as well as his own label (TAR), and should probably be included, as should many others.
However, the most egregious omissions from the list are Kutmah and Daddy Kev. Daddy Kev is one of the residents and founders of Low End Theory, and the man behind Alpha Pup Records, a label which has released work by many—perhaps even most—of the artists on that list. Kutmah founded Sketchbook, the art/music night which evolved into Low End Theory. When Ras G releases a song called "One 4 Kutmah"—one of many instances of a producer naming a track "One for/4 x" as a nod to Dilla's "One for Ghost" on Donuts—that pretty well establishes you as a godfather of the scene. Without the contributions of those two guys that huge circle covering Los Angeles on the map gets a lot smaller.
And that kind of gets to the heart of what's really missing from this graphic—the personal connections. You're documenting an art movement which is very much alive, not only in the sense that it's constantly evolving, but that it's filled with real people who are friends and coworkers and share ideas (and experiences and meals and even sometimes bathrooms and lease agreements) with each other.
The fact that a handful of producers from across the map all dabble in samples that might qualify their work as "world music" is sort of interesting, I guess. What I find a great deal more interesting is that Kutmah used to earn extra cash by picking up shifts at Poo-Bah Records in Pasadena, one of the best independent record stores on the planet, which just so happens to be co-owned and managed by Take (who is going by Sweatson Klank these days).
Other employees of that shop have included Ras G, Black Monk, and Detective Tully, who himself has long been the stage manager (and frequent opening act) at Low End Theory, and is a founding member of the My Hollow Drum crew along with Teebs, yuk., Co. Fee, Bahwee, and others. MHD made their name playing a residency at the The Crosby in Santa Ana, which was co-owned by Chris Alfaro a.k.a. Free the Robots, a venue which more recently has played host to frequent performances by members of the Soulection and Team Supreme collectives, who have been making huge moves lately and are completely absent from your list. (Even more recently, The Crosby was forced to shut its doors, though I'm certain something incredible will rise from its ashes.)
Similarly, Kutmah was also one of the earliest participants in dublab, one of the first touchstones of the beat scene in Los Angeles. Its founder, frosty, was once a member of Adventure Time alongside Daedelus, and another early and frequent dublab collaborator matthewdavid would go on to release his own work on Brainfeeder, and put out tapes by Ras G, Samiyam, Odd Nosdam, Ahnnu, Dakim, Dem Hunger, yuk. and many others on his Leaving Records imprint, which just last year signed a distribution deal with Stones Throw.
And that brings us back to Dilla, as so many things do. His impact is wide and deep, and he inspired a great many people to do a great many things, including inspiring you to create that graphic, which itself just barely scratches the surface.
Actual URL: http://home.no/dwaynie/beat_scene.png
Edit: Need to double-read what I respond to.
I gotta say, "homage to the guy who produced their best beats" seems very inaccurate, you sure that's the right link?
As a long time De La fan, this was a great thing to wake up to. They fell out of my daily playlist for a while because I'm horrible at keeping my devices synced. Now I have it engrained in my mind that I can download their catalog at anytime, so they'll probably be the first "go to" music in a lot of future situations.
...and then proceed to grab the lot anyway, of course.
A single generation from 128 to 320 wouldn't be too terrible, mind - it'd probably be noticeable to most people on half-decent speakers, but it wouldn't totally wreck the music. A second generation from that lossy-sourced 320 would probably start to get pretty grating, though.
If you're thinking of doing it for artistic reasons, though, I'd say you're more likely to get better results from a judicious selection of high- and low-pass filters, with a flanger or two thrown in.
Seriously, though, BitTorrent Sync is amazing.
It might also be timing. When 3 feet was released I was a pre-teen. Stakes is High arrived when I was a real adolescent, I was dating, working part-time, and hanging out with friends. Buying music was a big decision back then, a $15 CD required 3 hours of minimum wage, fast food work.
Whoops, mis-parsed your comment initially. I thought you meant the video game, not MF-DOOM.
Yes, to both.
I suspect De La Soul hit some sort of quota limit and Dropbox will either (a) hit them up for a bandwidth bill, or (b) decide to raise the limit as a goodwill/marketing gesture, later in the day.
Edit: Downloads working now, 46 minutes after release time.
De La Soul - Much More http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VojfkAZZqXA
More artists should follow this example, and we HNers should listen to Stakes is High and "What we do for (love)" when nature calls. Its valentines after all.
Now is a time when the music industry desperately needs to make the case for value. These kind of gags don't help anybody.
what the fuck, dude, it's De La Soul.
Is the groupthink so strong on HN that someone can't express an opinion supporting the commercial value of professional artists and their work?
The first comment was better off downvoted -- it seemed like you expressly came into the discussion just to insult the artist, which is just irritating.
The second comment doesn't seem to have negative karma at this point (it's not terribly insightful -- you don't back anything up, but it's not otherwise bad).
And this comment here is rightly trending a bit negative -- "why did you downvote my comment" threads aren't worth much.
Given that constraint, how is giving their music away for free (and getting marketing information about their fans) a poor choice vs just letting the more savvy ones download it from the pirate bay?
Yes.