Male, female or custom? Facebook adds options for users to self-identify
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I have one friend who changed gender and it really opened my eyes to how poorly a societally mandated absolute gender binary serves some people. And the extent to which that gender binary is actively enforced by society. I just never noticed before, because I fit reasonably well into one of the available boxes.
That is one of the most elegant ways of putting it I've ever read. Nicely done.
Most people don't know there's a difference between sex and gender.
I was hoping you had a short explanation as I am pretty sure searching with some of those keywords will cause an issue at work but if not this will serve as a reminder for me to look it up when I get home.
http://www.med.monash.edu.au/gendermed/sexandgender.html
And for you and other people whose URLs might get audited, here's the content:
What is the difference between sex and gender?
Sex = male and female
Gender = masculine and feminine
So in essence:
Sex refers to biological differences; chromosomes, hormonal profiles, internal and external sex organs.
Gender describes the characteristics that a society or culture delineates as masculine or feminine.
So while your sex as male or female is a biological fact that is the same in any culture, what that sex means in terms of your gender role as a 'man' or a 'woman' in society can be quite different cross culturally. These 'gender roles' have an impact on the health of the individual.
In sociological terms 'gender role' refers to the characteristics and behaviours that different cultures attribute to the sexes. What it means to be a 'real man' in any culture requires male sex plus what our various cultures define as masculine characteristics and behaviours, likewise a 'real woman' needs female sex and feminine characteristics. To summarise:
'man' = male sex+ masculine social role
(a 'real man', 'masculine' or 'manly')
'woman' = female sex + feminine social role
(a 'real woman', 'feminine' or 'womanly')
I never thought I'd be grateful for being a fat, nerdy, awkward kid. It sure sucked a lot of the time then. But now those experiences really help me appreciate why it's important to try to be especially respectful toward people who are different not just in my specific ways, but in their own fashion. They are already getting enough crap.
Actually, it's pretty easy. Even on a biological/genetic level, the lines can get rather blurry.
There are people with male genitalia who have two X chromosomes, people with female genitalia who have a Y chromosome, and a bunch of other variations[0][1][2][3].
[0]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex
[1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klinefelter_syndrome
[2]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XYY_syndrome
[3]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SRY
(EDIT: added citations, which scott_karana linked to in another comment thread)
Then it would describe the non-dual aspects of each level (XYY for genetics) and the way in which each level can "mis-match" with the others. On the 'bottom' levels like genetics and anatomy, most people are willing to believe the non-theoretical and purely evidence-based science about 'unusual' arrangements.
Once these things have been established as perfectly understandable, it becomes easier to believe that someone might self-identify as a different gender than their genetics or anatomy indicates. Or that the psychological identities might not be strictly divided into male and female.
Does something like this exist? The "but we're all men and women" argument is so common, and the knowledge about each individual way in which someone can differ from this norm is so scattered, it would be great to have it all in one place.
I fully support equality, but... if I said "Humans have five fingers on each hand", would you disagree and declare "clearly humans have no defined number of fingers on each hand, as every now and again a human is born with four or six fingers on a hand"? I don't personally care how many fingers you have, but it seems pretty clear to me that is a biological accident, and does not refute the notion that "Humans have five fingers".
Your notions about what makes for a human is something that lives in your head. Which is fine; the world is a complicated place, and we can't represent it in 3 pounds of meat without simplifying.
But the mistake many people make with gender (and a lot of other things) is to try to reverse the flow, demanding that the world correspond to the mental model.
As a non-gender example, I have friends who are ethnically complicated. Sometimes people will just ask them, "What are you?" Even strangers on the street. By which they mean, "I am uncomfortable because you don't conform to my notions of race. Please put yourself in one of my boxes." Those people always look like assholes.
When I arrived in San Francisco 15 years ago, I used to worry about what gender people were. I was uncomfortable that they didn't fit in the categories I had inherited. Was that person "really" a woman? Eventually I learned that gender was much more complicated than I expected.
But I also learned that other people don't have an obligation to fit neatly into my prejudices. Now my take is practical: unless I'm intending to have sex with somebody, what they have in their pants is none of my business. English, alas, makes ignoring gender entirely impossible. So sometimes I am forced to ask, "Hey, what pronoun would you like me to use for you?"
You seem to be assuming.
At least when I ask what background someone is, it's usually either:
- bewilderment. I'm mildly interested in the differences in morphology between ethnicity, so I get very curious when someone's ethnicity is completely ambiguous. I also get excited when I can successfully identify the ethnic background of people with a mixed background, which of course requires asking. "Your cheekbones look Native American; your nose & eyes look Swiss...?"
- an attempt to quickly sketch out an early mental model of that person, to understand them better. Does every asian kid have super-strict parents? Of course not! But it is a common theme, so it gets tacked on to the early mental model: "May have had strict parents?".
Yes, some people are legitimately curious about the great tapestry of ethnic diversity. (I'm one of them.) I think there are reasonable, polite ways to handle that. Walking up to strangers and demanding that they say what they "are" is not one of them.
But note that in both of your forks, you're trying to place somebody in a box in your head. In the first, bewilderment, you are uncomfortable because somebody fails to conform to your existing boxes. You may have a much more interesting and nuanced set of boxes than the average person. You may be much more polite than the boneheads I'm describing. You also surely understand that those boxes are a pretty artificial construct, and that it's not the job of people on the street to help you improve your set of boxes. But if you think about what goes on for people for whom none of those is true, I think you'll find it pretty easy to imagine their side of an encounter like this.
Humans are a learning species. Everything we observe is converted by our brains into data to be filed somewhere, even if it's only temporary storage because we consider it unimportant. This attribute is nearly fundamental to sentience. Let's not get offended when someone wants to learn more about the people around them, and what makes them themselves. This, of course, doesn't justify walking up to someone on the street and invading their personal space and time, but it does mean your vendetta against mental organization and near-automatic pattern matching is misguided.
Quick, tell me about people who can't recall much information at all! No, wait, tell me about people who are vegetative or catatonic and therefore unable to process the events occurring around them and convert them into data! Tell me about people who have a failed mental organizational process! This, naturally, would invalidate all of my claims and finally prove me a bigot.
People in minority groups are understandably sometimes sensitive about people in dominant majorities acting like the minorities are obliged to educate them.
I don't have any particular vendetta against pattern-matching. Being made out of meat, I do it myself. But if it isn't done with respect and politeness, it is at best negligent and at worst arrogant and self-centered. And I definitely have a problem with those behaviors, especially directed at people who already have a hard row to hoe.
In other parts of the world (I am thinking South America in particular), where you can have similar mix of ethnic background, society seems to care less about "boxes" and the boundaries are way more relaxed. People seems not to be that interested in being classified into a distinct box and care less about it.
Funny that HE says that, since disregarding your moral stand point on a non cisgender person, the reality, observational and scientific, is that sex is much more complicated than male and female. What we do with that may be up for discussion, but I find ironic how he's trying to deny this reality, basically, by just saying so.
This is a thing, there are people. Human sex is non-binary.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klinefelter_syndrome
And, in fact, there's research showing connections between transgender identity (where socially constructed gender -- usually based on the more obvious indicia of biological sex -- doesn't line up with gender identity) and instances where the various indicia of biological sex aren't aligned in the usual way. Its not, as I understand, apparently the only factor in transgender identity, but it seems to be a significant correlate.
The idea that gender ought to be simple seems largely supported by the illusion that sex is simple.
But when I started paying attention and without being too invested in the notions I'd been handed, gender turns out to be more complicated than a boolean. Like you, I think the question is what we then do about it.
Practicality demands some level of quantization of gender--at some point, subtlety is lost.
In this case, Facebook is going from 1 bit to 6 bits. I think they can handle it.
For example, what gender would you assign to someone who was born with both sets of genitalia, and had the choice made by their parents to remove the vagina? She may choose to identify as female because that's how her brain (and possibly breasts) evolved, regardless of the choice her parents made for her as a baby.
The transgender "agenda" isn't forcing anyone to do anything, it's about having basic respect for the identity of those you interact with.
You're free to reject "other people's illusions", but there's a good chance you'll just come across as insensitive and a bit of a jerk.
Exactly! And that's why changes like this are so important. I, like you, don't want to be pressured into referring to someone by a gender identity which does not match their reality.
Your personal relationship to gender is very simple. Yay, good for you. But there are people whose relationships are more complex. I promise that they have thought about gender 100x more than you have, and it is you that have the illusions here.
How do I know? Well, I started out with those same illusions and then actually talked to people who changed gender or who just don't fit well in a gender-binary framework. I learned a lot. If you're willing to set aside your arrogance on this, you could do the same.
The first half involves judging people by appearance; unless he's running DNA tests, ultrasounds, and fondling everybody he meets before he uses a pronoun, then he his judging at least partly by how they present. That's gender.
The latter half, how he treats people based on his gender-presentation-mediated perceptions of sex, is pure gender, because there we're entirely out of the realm of biology and clearly into the social side of gender roles.
I understand why he (and apparently you) would like it to be simpler. It's more convenient for him if everybody goes around hiding the complexity for him so he doesn't have to have a more accurate view of the world. But it's bunk. Pretending that it's "just" sex he's talking about is part of the way he hides, presumably also from himself, that it's bunk.
So, even from the "biology is the only real thing that legitimate justifies gender identity" perspective -- a perspective that I personally find ludicrous but which is nonetheless common among people who whine about a "transgender agenda" and assert that gender identity is somehow invalid when it doesn't line up with biology -- even from that narrow-minded perspective transgender people (or a very significant share of them, at any rate) have a legitimate claim to a distinct gender identity.
The illusions about sex and gender are yours, not theirs.
Or do you not want to be pressured into describing things accurately?
Sex is biological, gender is a label people choose to identify with. How could it be an illusion? Would you prefer to inspect their genitalia before using pronouns? Men could always label themselves as female if they want anyway, now they simply have more options.
Do you also refuse to use nicknames because they're different from their legal names? What about Internet handles?
Stan: Don't you oppress me.
Reg: Where's the fetus going to gestate? You going to keep it in a box?
Francis: It is symbolic of our struggle against oppression.
Reg: It's symbolic of his struggle against reality.
If you believe in the right of self-determination, what's the fucking difference how someone self-identifies?
Oh right, by claiming they're not really male or female for reasons x, y, and z.
Nevertheless, Facebook is still predicated on the the worst false dichotomy of all time: someone is either my friend or they are not my friend.
Do we need an entire generation of friendism movement to raise awareness the world is full of colleagues, acquaintances, etc. I know this doesn't matter for a lot of people, but for those of us with nonconforming relationships, being forced to choose a binary option as friend or not friend is disheartening.
It is the reason I quit Facebook.
PD: I've checked and the option is only available so far to users using US English interface, so not a problem currently. I can imagine it will be at some point.
[1]: Heh, I'm so used to typing i18n, that was weird to type out.
But I'd also rather we just do away with the concept of gender. Sex is a thing, and is also non-binary. But "concept of gender" is something strange altogether.
I'd understand the importance of explicitly using trans as a distinction when, for example, speaking to a medical professional or discussing a social issue, but on a public profile?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/04/mr-transman-2013_n_...
Living in San Francisco, I've met many people who just don't feel particularly obliged to fit into the classic gender binary.
Compare, say, people who self-identify as "German-American" instead of simply "American".
If you imagine that gender's not a binary, then you could imagine how "trans$foo" is itself a gender. From there, some people prefer to keep it a secret. Some people prefer to make it public. A lot of times it's a matter of personal safety or privacy, but some people prefer to make their presence known.
Consider it as the cousin to coming out as gay if you like. If more folks realize that they know LGBTQ folks, eventually it's no big deal. This is well underway for LGB but not TQ.
Odd; most online and conventional media outlets are saying something completely different.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=567587973337709&set=...
Solid step in the right direction.
Also, this is an area of sexual politics that is generally not well understood by the majority of people — being that the majority are not gay, trans, or otherwise off the traditional dipolar gender and sexual attration axis. I don't know about you, but I prefer not to comment on things I don't understand so as not to put my foot in my mouth or inadvertently cause real offense.
If you are looking for a simple way to solve this problem, just drop gender from your system. If you really need to use pronouns, just use singular they [2] for everybody.
I think the second-simplest thing would be to not ask about gender, but to ask about what pronoun to use. Facebook's going with he/she/they, which isn't what every activist would want, but it's way better than a simple binary.
If you really need gender, then I'd probably follow the Facebook model; the alternative is to basically repeat Facebook's process of talking to a lot of people and finding some other workable solution.
[1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_ethnicity_in_Brazil#IB...
Maybe someday there will be a setting for 'sexless elder god' so Cthulhu and the rest of the gang don't feel left out.
This will make it really interesting to better infer parts of some peoples personalities with the rest of the data people want to share on facebook, and serving ads to demographics who are going to want to click on your ads because it conforms to their views.
Well played from a data-mining perspective.
Diaspora did this a few years ago too (more or less) http://www.sarahmei.com/blog/2010/11/26/disalienation/
Agender
Androgyne
Androgynous
Bigender
Cis
Cis Female
Cis Male
Cis Man
Cis Woman
Cisgender
Cisgender Female
Cisgender Male
Cisgender Man
Cisgender Woman
Female to Male
FTM
Gender Fluid
Gender Nonconforming
Gender Questioning
Gender Variant
Genderqueer
Intersex
Male to Female
MTF
Neither
Neutrois
Non-binary
Other
Pangender
Trans
Trans Female
Trans Male
Trans Man
Trans Person
Trans*Female
Trans*Male
Trans*Man
Trans*Person
Trans*Woman
Transexual
Transexual Female
Transexual Male
Transexual Man
Transexual Person
Transexual Woman
Transgender Female
Transgender Person
Transmasculine
Two-spiritwow
If an engineer refuses to accept your PR, they are an insensitive asshole, and deserve the public criticism and dismissal from their job that will inevitably follow.
That's a bit unrealistic.