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Ask HN: Software to help retrieve stolen laptop for a paranoid person?

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There are a few purpose made solutions for the stolen laptop scenario like 'prey' . But I'm too paranoid to sign up to a service like that and give them access to my machine all the time its not stolen. Is there any unobtrusive remote admin software that might suit me better. Note: laptop has windows 7 64 bit on it atm.

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For a very high level of paranoia (i.e. resourceful adversaries that could attempt an evil maid attack on you) it’s probably best to consider laptops as disposable. In this scenario, you would encrypt the whole filesystem and never leave the laptop with power on. So if it gets stolen, nobody could extract any data from it and you can lose it without worrying.

Yep make your laptops like burner phones in The Wire. This is a good reason to switch off of OSX to linux, buy some cheap ~$300 thinkpads or Asus laptops on Craigslist with cash and you never have to stress (too much) about forgetting it at a bar or getting stolen (+1 full-disk encryption and powering off). In addition it's great for privacy and infosec, countering malware is near impossible, theres no better fix than getting rid of it.

Practice good daily backups via cron. I use Tarsnap and can bootstrap a new machine within 20min (dotfiles, scripts, etc).

I don't use cloud services but if I did, something like Tarsnap would be a must. Encrypt it before it leaves your computer, that way you don't have to worry about a Lavabit situation.

This is my approach using a CentOS install with whole hard drive encryption on a Thinkpad X200s. My reasoning is that the recycled laptop (£150 off ebay) is basically disposable. I keep a backup and a sync (--delete flag in rsync) on two separate external hard drives with physical security.

If I leave the laptop on a bus or if it gets stolen, I just restore the tar.gz file onto another laptop, change the UUIDs in fstab and restore the home drives from backup.

PS: my paranoia level is quite low, I just don't want information about students available if I lose control of the device.

That’s a good point. Security can also be about protecting others, not just oneself.

On OS X or Linux I'd hack together a bashscript that uses cron to periodically (every 10 mins or so) broadcasts where it's located and then upload that information to a logfile on my Raspberry Pi. Sort of like what Prey does, just on my own.

I'm pretty sure something like that is possible on Windows as well, altough you may need some kind of server to store the information so you can avoid receiving a mail or something with the information.

Where would you get its location data?

Traceroute should nail down the ISP and possibly enough info for the ISP to track it down, but you need law enforcement to get further I guess. Personally, I'd rather have full disk encryption and password login to prevent them even getting far enough for a network connection to be there.

I'd use the Core Location api on OS X and probably use something like https://github.com/victor/whereami (no need to invent the wheel again). When connected to a wifi, it's rather simple.

Be sure to encrypt the information before it's sent and keep it encrypted when it lands on your Pi. Only decrypt it when you need to know the info.

In short, no, because there's no way to tell a service to turn on without access to the machine. Nothing will know your laptop is stolen unless you can tell it. To do that there has to be a service listening for a specific command. To do that, it has to be running all the time, which is what you don't want. Even if you wrote your own (which you can do) it would still have to be running 24/7.

In many cases the data on the laptop is probably more valuable than the machine itself. You need to think about if you want it to be possible for the thief to run any of your programs, including a secret tracking program.

One thing you could to get your name and phone/email laser engraved on the bottom. This will fuck up the resale value and if it falls into the possession of someone honest they might return it. Or the thief might try to extort you and you can just show up with the cops.

I would use a simple autossh setup with key authentication to a limited account on a VPS that is only allowed to open a reverse shell.

Put sshd on port 443 on the VPS to maximize chances of a successful connection, and maybe put a bit of effort into hiding autossh on the laptop.

This way you have ssh to your laptop at all times. You will also know the IP it is on, for easy geoip lookups and tracerouting.

You are looking for a system that requires monitoring backend to authenticate itself to the (laptop) client in order to get an access to its peripherals. Meaning, that the backend always has a way to access your laptop, but it can't actually do that until you issue it proper credentials, presumably in the event of theft.

Whether such system exists, I don't know. Perhaps others can advise.

Personally, I would be more concerned with having the data well secured and backed up. The hardware itself is easy to replace.

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