100 time cheaper dropbox like service
hubic.com
hubic.com
They both have quite a reputation of being reliable and very responsive, and have very fair prices (they are like the hosting counterparts of Free [3], a French ISP that drove subscription fees down to what they now are and forced other ISPs to make their prices fairer).
Have you ever dealt with their support? - I for myself am quite happy with my service (Dedicated server) so far (because I rarely had to deal with the support) but I've heard a few horror stories where some of their biggest UK customers basically got kicked out even though they stayed within the TOS and the terms they signed the contract for, or the thing about their DDoS protection kicking in, rebooting your server even though they are legit requests.
You can't beat their prices though.
And it was not sudden, they informed customers 3 months in advance.
I've been with 3 swedish voip providers that shut down after a couple of years, so i'd guess it's hard to make it work.
https://www.google.com/search?q=OVH+support+site:webhostingt...
For some people a provider like OVH is "good enough", but there is a reason it is cheap.
Where they basically looked at their customers and said "look, you are one of our 30% top customers in bandwidth usage, you'll have to pay from now on." Even though they (Or the company I used) were using their top of the line servers which are exactly offered for bandwidth intensive services like the ones mentioned in their forum post. So it's not really a solid company if you want to work with them long term or build a business on top of their service.
The company I'm referring to is now running their own network on their own hardware in a carrier neutral facility.
I'm very happy I almost never have any problem with OVH (I've two DSL connections with included Hubic accounts and a few web hosting with included domain names), because the support is not great at all.
I'm a Canadian and I've been considering grabbing a box here from them, www.soyoustart.com/ca/en/offers.xml the pricing is ridiculously low.
You wouldn't get 10TB, but if you mirror the disks for 50$ a month you have a reliable 2TB of disk space in a datacenter much closer (for most) and 4 cores on 32GB of ram would give you a nice gaming server or a pretty powerful database.
Their VPS product (if they still do that anymore) would most likely be oversold. They are a massive operation that competes aggressively on price.
Plus Oles, the CEO of OVH, goes on tirades against his customers every few months.
Moreover, OVH sometimes take quite stupid commercial decisions without notice. For instance, two months ago, they decided to put on hold any dedicated server command without notice... during more than 5 weeks.
Why did they do that? Because OVH's CEO became angry at customers ordering upgraded servers instead of renewing the leasing of their older ones.
As of Free, they bully and racket network peers which need to send traffic over their network as much as they can. (See how slow is youtube over the Free network, for instance...)
[1] http://mir7.ovh.net/ovh-applications/hubic/hubiC-Linux/1.1.1...
First I tried to use API console to get storage API URI and auth token, but I misunderstood something and it didn't work for me.
This, on the other hand, helped, although it uses some other API endpoints (still, those are OVH APIs): https://github.com/gierschv/node-hubic-swiftauth
> PDF en français
Luckily, Google Translate provides mostly readable results, but if they present site in English they really should consider translating ToS too.
Although I was unable to share direct link (Google rejects to translate PDF from URL, only by direct upload), and the result not peeep.us-able, I was able to save it as a paste here to save others time downloading and uploading the PDF: http://dabblet.com/gist/8861421 (Dabblet seems broken, too, "view full page result" fails, so click "result" tab to get rid of unnecessary panes)
Some points I got(but may have misunderstood) from there:
- There're 10Mbps up/down bandwidth limits.
- You remain the sole owner of your data.
- Not allowed to store and/or share ("stocker et/ou partager") porn (huh‽) and some other kind of content considered indecent, disturbing or unlawful.
- They're not responsible for failed transfers, you explicitly agree have to check that the files succesfully uploaded by yourself.
- Commercial use of service is prohibited (uh... only personal accounts?)
- I didn't really get this part: "Le Client s'engage à régler directement à l'auteur de la réclamation toute somme que celui ci exigerait d’OVH." but Google says it translates to something like "The Customer agrees to pay directly to the author of the claim any amount that it would require OVH." From the context, I may guess the meaning is, that if you somehow caused some damage, you're going to protect OVH in court and if you/they're held responsible, you're going to pay those damages. Hmmm...
"Le Client s'engage à régler directement à l'auteur de la réclamation toute somme que celui ci exigerait d’OVH." If an author ask compensation to OVH, you (OVH Client) pay the author directly the wanted amount.
Seems to be owned and run by OVH France.
But without encryption and private keys, i'd rather rent a server and use Duplicati.
> Data is copied in 3 seperate datacentres in France.
That said, Dropbox has done a pretty good job of lying about how much security they offered users in the past. But someone providing a service like this with a reasonable security policy which is openly communicated to the users is still better than no security policy.
EVault, Wuala, Tarsnap, SpiderOak, Norton Zone, KeepVault, Jungle Disk, ElephantDrive, CrashPlan, Carbonite, F-Secure, Handy Backup, IASO Backup, MediaFire, MEGA, OwnDrive, TeamDrive etc..
..all provide Zero-Knowledge encryption for their cloud backups, i think OVH should be able to at least the same.
If you care about your data security, you'd better consider there is no encryption in such cases. If you don't care - why ask for encryption at all?
1. From a quick glance I can't find anything related to patching in backend or change handling classes. Either I'm missing something or it doesn't handle arbitrary changes well. There's some suspect-driving long ByteDelta property on Change class, but I fail to see where it's used in a meaningful manner.
2. It uses a lightweight abstraction over System.IO.FileSystemWatcher. This means inotify, when ran on Mono on GNU/Linux.
Basically it says good bye with:
~/Downloads/hubic> hubic main-loop [INFO | 2/9/2014 9:05:08 PM | Ovh.Hubic.Sync.Linux.CLI.Server.MainLoop] Application starts (Version: 1.1.13.22-64; Platform: Unix 3.12.9.301) [ERROR | 2/9/2014 9:05:08 PM | Ovh.Hubic.Backend.HubicAccountHandler.GetGreetings] Got error while getting greetings: System.IO.FileNotFoundException: Could not load file or assembly 'System.Runtime.Serialization, Version=4.0.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=b77a5c561934e089' or one of its dependencies.
Not going well so far, credit card form was in french... Said it failed, it refreshed itself, says it's worked, but it isn't showing up on my account.
Something tells me that 10 euros is going to cost a hell of a lot more than that of my time getting to the bottom of this.
However I tried this service a few months ago, and it was very unreliable and slow to sync files. Sharing files between different people in particular was quite a hassle, which is why i quit using it. Also, I had a lot of trouble with the Linux client. It may get better with time though as the project was only started in 2013 i believe.
It's good to have cheap alternatives but if you can pay for Dropbox there's just no comparison in the products.
On a Sdsl line my upload rate (pc <-> hubic) is 45kb/s, download is 120kb/s. Not mind blowing but it's enough for me, running in the background.
For casual sync and backup, I totaly recommend.
Linux (BETA), OSX, Windows, Android, iOS, Windows Phone 8, Blackberry
The project structure is completely different, so it's probably not even inspired by iFolder.
OVH is a big company though, so I'm more or less confident that they can handle this smoothly.
Let's see how that works out, OVH isn't really known to run a uncongested network. I'm still excited because it's just a crazy cheap place to move additional backups to.
Does anyone know how fast is the download from their servers?
Now back to topic. How much is it in USD then? Since it paid in Euro and includes VAT by default. What if i dont need to pay VAT?
In fact, the only mention of privacy I found is "respect for privacy" in data security.
Everything else is the equivalent of the "do not track" header, security through homeopathy.
Though yes, I agree that nothing you don't do on your own is really trustworthy. That's why I don't use online storage for storing confidential data, heh. Only puush for the little things. (what's going on with Puush anyway? They've been silent since "going down for maintenance briefly" in September). I guess treating internet as if there is no privacy is for the best.
Hey ho, it's not like I read them anyway!
It's marketing but... """ Only you can access and share the contents of your hubiC space using your username and password. You are also solely responsible for the content you place on hubiC and share with your contacts. As the OVH servers are installed on French soil, the hubiC service is subject to French legislation, which is particularly demanding in terms of personal data protection and respect for privacy. So, unlike many online storage providers that use machines located on US territory, hubiC does not fall under the jurisdiction of the U.S. Patriot Act, which authorises the security services to access any computerised data held by individuals and businesses, without obtaining prior authorisation and without informing users. """ French/Euro laws are fairly good iirc. (feel free to check yourself) and companies generally follow them.
Interestingly I lived near Roubaix for a while and never noticed a data center :)
Edit: from my not so great French (reading the terms): They are responsible for security, everything SSL, privacy respected, won't hinder you if you want to move your data [IANAL but looks like a fairly standard French legal IT document...at least it is similarly structure like my work contract was]
Then you may be interested in this thread: https://lafibre.info/ovh-datacenter/data-center-ovh-roubaix-...
They also have datacenters in Strasbourg, Paris, Gravelines and Montreal (Canada), but I am not sure if they host part of the hubiC service there.
Or is an add-on planed for permanent shares (e.g. for companies)?
I found only statements about transport layer security, not about storage.
Maybe it meant not "encrypted" but "protected"?
“Only you will have access to your data, using your login and password.”
I admit that the statement above is ambiguous, which is why I think the answer isn't obvious, and which again is why I asked the question in the first place.
I don't remember their exact wording, but that sounds very similar to what Dropbox originally claimed (before it was determined that their employees absolutely did have access to your data).
I would take notice if someone made a dropbox with a valuable additional feature, or a dropbox that worked better (recognizing that already dropbox works very smoothly).
But price seems like a nonstarter.
This service does, and for an astonishingly great price. 10TiB for 10€, and they even promised something about internal 3x storage redundancy. I'm unzipping my wallet right after I run basic checks with free account.
That's what I'm using Amazon Glacier for. I have tons of old files that I'll likely never need/want again and that I would normally just blow away in order to regain the disk space. It's so damn cheap, though, that I've started archiving them all to Glacier and then blowing them away.
Not to say you don't have to wait for hours before you retrieve the file, and it's flat rate, not "download some percent from what you've uploaded today for free, otherwise pay for the bandwidth" plan.
For example, I've used Bitcasa before, but consider them too unreliable as a long-term business and left their service. It didn't cost me a cent to pull all the data back (with some minor exceptions their buggy software managed to lose unrecoverably, but I never considered them rock-solid-reliable from the beginning and had backups). With Glacier, I guess, I'd have to shell out $150 (~1.5TB) just to leave with my data.
There are other unlimited/large storage offers of various pricing and quality, but this one seem the best to me this far because of OpenStack API (I'd wish Cyphertite had a datacenter in Europe or Russia, but nope, so they're too slow for me, and I'm not really sure even though they're "unlimited" they'll be happy with terabyte archives). That is, unless one has more than 10 terabytes to archive.
IMHO I think that a personal Dropbox account (with no business features) for $5/month for 100gb would kill competition and would take in tonnes of cash. Making it the Spotify of storage.
I've long thought the same thing, both on their personal and business accounts.
On the personal side, the free 2 GB account isn't quite enough for my needs but 100 GB is waaaaay more than what I'd use.
> IMHO I think that a personal Dropbox account (with no business features) for $5/month for 100gb would kill competition ...
I'd happily pay that. Hell, I'd pay $5/month for, say, 20 GB. Realistically, I'd rarely use more than 10 GB.
It's the same story on the business side. My small team of eight would love to use Dropbox but, again, it's not a huge amount of storage that we need -- 10 GB would likely be more than we'd ever use. Instead, it's the ease with which we can all share that 10 GB of files that I'd happily pay for.
That 10 GB of storage would cost us $120/mo. (it could be as low as $80/month, but we could/would use those extra features so I'd go for the higher level).
Granted, $120/month isn't a lot and it would be much easier to justify if we were going to come close to using the whole 100 GB of storage. Since we effectively need to be able to easily share the contents of a small USB flash drive, though, $120/mo. seems a little outrageous.
At the very least, it seems that "per-user" isn't the best option in all cases and that other methods of charging would be a better fit. For example, there are a few non-technical people in our office that we might consider adding. They would rarely need access to any of the files we'd store on Dropbox but it might be nice to have them as users "just in case" -- but not for $15/user/month.
In our case, Dropbox would quickly gain us as a customer if we could instead pay based upon the amount of storage we use (it seems ironic that this isn't an option, considering storage is likely one of their highest costs). We would, for example, sign up today if there was a "$1/GB/month regardless of number of users" option.
As an added bonus, our daily use of Dropbox would likely result in us recommending it to many of our customers who would also sign up (if they could also pay based upon storage and not the number of users).
From their forum: "As nearly 270,000 of you now use hubiC, we have been able to confirm our technical decisions and this volume has enabled us to further optimise our infrastructure and its performances. Result: we're now able to lower our prices again, and this time we're aiming for nothing less than a million users!"
It's only by being so cheap that they can carve themselves a place in this saturated market.