Mac Pro (late 2013) replica inside a real trashcan
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Macs have been using EFI boot for a few years, so the problem most have probably faced is trying to boot in BIOS emulation mode (which I've found to be iffy on pretty much every EFI motherboard I've come across).
Arch Linux has particularly good support. :P
Other distros don't seem to work with Apple's EFI implementation. To boot other distros, I've had good luck with the refind[1] bootloader. Granted, I have only been booting live USBs, not installing on the internal drive.
But you'll probably have to actually spring for your _own_ MacPro to mod the sensor.
In fact, I have Win7, OS 10.9, and Arch Linux on this computer (early 2013 MBP Retina)
Edit Since the link switched to the original forum post with more pictures: I must say the project was quite impressive and the end result is cool, though I still stand by my original point.
The trick of the MacPro is the integration of the AMD video which isn't something a modder is going to do.
But inside, it was just a bog-standard Mini-ITX, standard graphics card, etc. Before I clicked on the link I was hoping to see something more unique.
Two of the neatest things about the new Mac Pro are it's size and silence. This mod is bigger (not surprising), but why not go further? If the enclosure was bigger you could have simulated the triangle layout of the Mac Pro and put something interesting down the middle.
Or you could work to make the machine quieter with some elaborate heat-pipe or water-cooling setup. I have a feeling the small graphics and CPU fans in that metal case make a fair amount of noise.
I guess I was expecting something much more exotic, maybe using a small single board computer (Beagle Bone or Raspberry Pi) or something else strange.
It looks nice considering the constraints of using normal PC hardware. Apple went back to the drawing board with the Mac Pro, I guess I'm a bit disappointed by this being 'just' a round case.
Your thought train is living somewhere between these: https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/no-true-scotsman https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/special-pleading
Please review them, prove them wrong, and then we'll speak.
But even so, the fallacies are either stretched or completely inapplicable. Both the 'no true scotsman' and 'special pleading' fallacies involve constantly shifting goalposts, but we've only ever seen Jormundir say that internal design is part of what makes the new Mac Pro beautiful. Where are the shifting goalposts?
Like, I don't think that the fact that it's not beautiful on the inside is relevant to the fact that it's a cool as hell mod; I think it's completely irrelevant. But throwing fallacies at the statement is just weird. I don't get how they apply at all.
The last tower machine I had years ago was loud and doubled as a room heater in winter. I still see video cards being made that require their own heat sink and fan. Then add all the other standard fans: power supply, CPU (+ heat sink), one or two on the case. You have these huge empty, inefficient boxes.
I really hope Apple brings their heat management knowledge to their other lines.
Edit: grammar.
[1] https://teksyndicate.com/videos/build-most-powerful-mini-itx...
Zero upgradability? The Mac Pro is quite upgradable, with the exception of the GPU. It got a 8/10 from iFixit in this area.
I can slam in another PCIe SSD RAID next year and hopefully get rid of those too.
The Mac Pro of course can't slam in a PCIe RAID, you have only thunderbolt, which isn't as fast as a 16 lane. You have no ability to choose graphics cards made by third parties, my box just has reference design ones, with ek blocks on them for the cooling. Of course this means changing the graphics card takes 1 hour, then letting it "leak test" in the bathroom for a night. I would still say it's upgradable, but clearly I've traded ease for silence and performance (you can generally get very reliable over clocks with such cooling).
This is why people complain it isn't upgradable. You can't easily put in anything you want, it has to go external, which is fine for some, but abhorrent for others. The options of what you can upgrade are entirely a single vendor lock-in. Some people dislike that. These people (such as myself) like to have a free market of competition and innovation on every component available.
Being able to replace the PSU, GPGPU, 5.25" drives and 3.5" drives is upgradable. Expansion will have to be entirely done through external PCIe chassis, and TB2 is NOT as fast as PCIe3. It's such an inelegant solution and very half-assed.
I don't just want an engineering marvel on my desk. I want it to be pragmatic and easy to expand. Using the excuse that most machines are going the other way is not viable – this is a professional machine, and every professional has different standards.
Find a good price/performance ratio, buy and use machine for 2-3 years, sell and buy a new one. The fact that this machine houses all the components you want to upgrade inside of it (CPU,GPU,RAM,PSU) and all the components you want to keep outside (NAS/RAID primarily), makes this prospect that much better, less waste.
Not to mention the usually excellent value retention on Apple hardware makes this a pretty darn good investment. Again, if you are in the target market that is.
But Apple has a truly novel design with the new Pro. Even the machine in your link has 1 CPU fan, 1 GPU fan and a power supply fan. And it's still quite empty and not that small. No one except Apple is even trying.
And it can also use thunderbolt based GPUs. But if your work justifies a $3K dual-GPU machine, would you really go about replacing graphics cards 2-3 years down the road, instead of just buying the latest model? It would have new-everything, and it would be a tax deductible busines expense after all.
Speaking from experience, these boards are awesome, and smallest ones I've ever used (other than a mac mini/or rPI)!
Is it still the case that updates from Apple will randomly break a Hackintosh? It used to be the case a few years ago. Has it gotten easier to update a Hackintosh these days?
Z68MA-D2H-B3 2500K OD'ed to 4.5GHZ 650TI Boost 2Gig
It is actually easier to install OS X on this then it is Windows.
Major updates 10.8 -> 10.9 do require booting from a USB stick made with Unibeast. But 10.9 -> 10.9.1 works just fine.
[1] http://www.tonymacx86.com/forum.php
[2] http://envoy510.wordpress.com/2014/01/25/new-mac-pro-or-hack...
Depending on your hardware there could be a standard process, but it almost always requires a bit of command line work, clicking cancel at the right time, and withstanding the temptation of clicking reboot when the installer asks you to.
That said, I've used OSX on non-Apple hardware for two years as my main development/entertainment machine. Upgrading wasn't desireable anyway because newer versions of OSX stopped supporting multi-monitors after 10.6.7 I believe. It really was great to be able to use OSX on my desktop.
Finally when staying on 10.6.7 really started to give problems, I decided to try Ubuntu again. I was pleasantly surprised that Ubuntu now actually is very usable as a workstation for development. It's got all window manager features 10.6.7 had, good terminal emulators, editors, and the important browsers, what more do you need? (don't say photoshop :@)
In my case it's Lightroom. :)
Longtime Ubuntu user here. Bought a Mac mini as my desktop replacement on the off-chance that I might write an iOS app.
I'm actually running Ubuntu inside Mac as my development environment. Ubuntu also nicely solves the "blurry text" problem [flame away! :)]
That said, a retina display totally changes everything. No "blurry" and no-crude. Just as reading a finely printed book. You wont want to go back to a low DPI monitor after a week of using a retina.
As for using Ubuntu for development inside OS X, that's actually the best of both worlds. You have a stable desktop system, and you can have arbitrary development environments for every job (assuming you use a VM), that are just like the target environment (assuming you deploy on Linux).
I'd also suggest trying Vagrant, if you don't use it already.
Link for anybody else interested: http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2007/06/font-rendering-resp... (linked articles are good too)
"Yep, I know why the Mac's text looks blurrier" i.e., I meant to agree with 'coldtea' and add to the discussion.
The way I've written it now makes it sound like I'm disagreeing. Anyway, the link above should be useful to future readers.
Photoshop, Office, proper multimedia capabilities (DAWs, NLEs), full support for all my laptops features, and never ever having to tinker to get some basic device working.
My two displays on 10.9 say you "believe" wrong.
I think they see it as a hobyist activity that does more to encourage sales than lose them.
Of course, there are many other pretty good reasons to go with EFI. It's just that its fate seemed tied to that of Itanium back then.
Widely held by whom? The absolute simplest thing for Apple to have done at the time would've been to have kept using OpenFirmware, for maximum compatibility with existing PowerMacs (OpenFirmware boot code is written in platform-independent Forth).
This would've made building hackintoshes much harder than EFI, since EFI motherboards were quasi available at the time and clearly going to be growing in the future, whereas OpenFirmware x86 motherboards were speciality hardware that only Apple and Sun would have been producing.
The decision to use EFI is most easily understood as a compromise between retaining some of the abilities of OpenFirmware, avoidance of 30-years of unnecessary BIOS cruft, and a desire to enable people to run Windows, which EFI BIOS compatibility could enable but OpenFirmware could not.
Seriously, it's 2004-2005. You have the opportunity to define an x86-based platform from scratch. You'd like Windows compatibility as a business selling point, but you're sane so you don't want to chain yourself to a kludge like the PC BIOS in your own code base if you don't have to, because backwards compatibility isn't a concern.
EFI is the only obvious choice.
So now Apple has to support an EFI version no-one runs, while integrating Intel reference code targetted at newer versions to support new chipsets.
Well, it ensures job security for Apple's firmware engineers.
I'd probably not use an Apple logo though... maybe a pear? :)
I hope we go back to putting our own computers together using only the components we desire; bought from companies we admire--not just because they work the best, but for altruistic reasons (employee treatment, environmental friendliness, etc).
Seriously, under German law the forum owner has no way to forbid people to link to his site - unless they are insulting him, misattributing content, etc.
Here is the original link (now removed): http://hackintosh-forum.de/index.php?page=Thread&postID=9493...
Here is the google cache: https://www.google.com/search?q=http://hackintosh-forum.de/i...
Normaly, I wouldn't post that link, but there is (as far as I could see) nothing problematic in that thread, and the content is already posted (with permission of the original author apparently) somewhere else, so the whole thing is incredibly silly.
Without the logo, Apple's complaint would have to be based on imitation of the design - maybe weaker than trademark but I dunno about design rights in EU.
Good work!