Comment by streetnigga | Hacker News Reader

Comment by streetnigga | Hacker News Reader

There is a special place in hell for SEA (Syrian Electronic Army) members. In addition to hacking sites as to spew propaganda, they have been reporting nonviolent activist pages while promoting terrorist (ISIS) pages. Running a plethora of personas[0] that harass and attack while disseminating horse-shit like the Adra massacre. That Adra event saw Russia Times relaying false reports[1]. Of course phishing pretty much anyone that mentions Syria/Sham. Gotta get those admin credentials somehow right?

All this while their regime goes about talking peace at Geneva2 and dropping crude air dropped improvised explosives (ADIED) onto residential neighborhoods. From two days ago, one of the happier videos to report from these strikes, a child being pulled alive from concrete rubble[2]. In addition to the regular munitons dropped on a daily basis the rocket system used to launch chemical weapon attacks is parked at the regime's Mezzeh military airport in Damascus[3] yet SEA and company have been trying to co-opt and seed disinformation on the subject such as focusing on nosecones[4].

This "cyberwar" mess has very real ramifications, and those are heaps of tortured/executed prisoners stacked up wrapped in plastic[5] with death certificates fraudulently made by the state. Real A level war crimes stuff. I have great hatred for these electronic shills and the murder they help further.

[0] http://wiki.echelon2.org/wiki/Persona_Management

[1] http://www.interpretermag.com/the-massacre-in-syria-that-was...

[2] http://youtu.be/-m_IgNakiXc

[3] http://imgur.com/gallery/C45Cw

[4] http://whoghouta.blogspot.com/2013/09/umlaca-simulation.html

[5] https://twitter.com/anadoluagency/status/426287533689815040

edit: See helpful comment regarding naming below.

I figured out that you meant Syrian Electronic Army, but SEA is widely understood to mean South East Asia in the region in question.

or Seattle, those guys are outta control.

Governments have a hard time condemning such attacks since every country want their own force out there attacking online targets.

I can only hope that a treaty over the use of online warfare gets made[1]. Until then, I will expect to see this happen more and more regularly.

[1] http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-weigant/we-need-a-geneva...

I wouldn't trust anything on Anadolu Agency which is owned by the current religious fascist Turkish government which is against Syria ONLY because they are from different Islamic fraction. The government wants to see religious fascists in power in Syria. Those things in the pictures were probably done by the barbaric islamic fundamentalist rebels.

Most Turkish people are against the government's senseless war against Syria. In last few weeks the government was caught sending military equipment to the barbaric islamic syrian rebels many times.

Sure thing hoss. Here is the story[0] associated with the photos.

"Syrian government officials could face war crimes charges in the light of a huge cache of evidence smuggled out of the country showing the "systematic killing" of about 11,000 detainees, according to three eminent international lawyers.

The three, former prosecutors at the criminal tribunals for the former Yugoslavia and Sierra Leone, examined thousands of Syrian government photographs and files recording deaths in the custody of regime security forces from March 2011 to last August."

OK so you are adamant that it was not the regime who tortured and executed people, that the photos were due to those nasty Islamists. How about a report pre-dating the previous on the Assad regime's Raid Brigade, amongst others in the Damascus area. Was the industrious kidnapping and murder of detainees by military also a false flag? Branch 215, Raid Brigade - Military Intelligence Division - Damascus[1].

[0] http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/20/evidence-indust...

[1] http://www.vdc-sy.info/index.php/en/reports/1380463510#.UuIv...

Yeah something should be done, and what else is better than barbaric islamic fundamentalist rebels, beheading war criminals, and bloodshed murderers, supported by international bloodthirsty, greedy media cartels.

We should support them as they are fighting against an anti-democratic regime. We will think about the other aspects, once democracy is settled, democracy first.

Way to respond with a comment that is contextual with what I said.

You really didn't conflate my detailing mass murder with support for other murderers at all there. If you did one could say it would be highly detrimental to discussion. Good thing you didn't though.

edit: I do love me tried and true tactics like what inanov and throwaway display. Anything said against a subject they feel strongly about is means to deny what is said then distort who is speaking. At the very least a lot of accusations and insinuations not relating to the original subject being discussed will be brought up adding noise to the signal. For a very topical example here is the regime's Syrian State TV split screening opposition talking at Geneva2 with stock footage of bombing carnage[0].

[0] https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BekwsuACIAA2gQr.jpg:large

In turkey, current government divides people into two groups (done through media, NGO's etc.): Pro-Assad, and Anti-Assad. Even though you do not fancy the guy, one morning when you wake up, you find yourself a Pro-Assad.

Even though you scream out that you are against war, and any crimes by persons or governments should be judged by an independent court, and war is not a solution, you still are a Pro-Assad. After sometime, I found out that this is not a local situation, this applies to the whole world. I know that once these are over, no war crimes will be punished, they will be loosely covered.

I remember when turkish prime minister visited Assad, handshakes, good wills. A few months later, you see that this same prime minister, just in a moment, starts to tell exact same words with some other governments which are very impatient to start a war (as if they were reading from a paper).

I know that no government is clean, they all have hands in blood, blood of a minority, another country or nation etc. Assad is not an exception but I believe that the other side of this war is not clean either. After seeing a lot of lies being told by the Turkish government and the media, I am more sure that this is not a fair fight, and this is not about Assad torturing the Syrian citizens. And I know that supporting bloodshed beheading islamic fundamentalist murderers is far from willing goodness of Syrian people.

>> For a very topical example here is the regime's Syrian State TV split screening opposition talking at Geneva2 with stock footage of bombing carnage[0].

Then, you should come and see the major turkish media. I will gladly translate every single word for you.

For a long time, it was impossible to reach Syrian Government news agency SANA's website, as it was banned without any notice or court order.

That was when the war started, and only news Turkish people got were Turkish Government's and international war lobyyists' lies through Anadolu Agency's black propaganda.

Turkey still keeps supporting the war in Syria by sending ammunition, weapons and other stuff to rebels. Our border gates are wide open for the rebels. Some of them live in Turkey's border cities such as Hatay.

For the last few weeks there has been at least eight trucks which were intercepted. They all were later protected by turkish national intelligence agency, governors, the ministers and prime minister himself, claiming what the trucks carried were governmental secret and nobodies' business. Of course the trucks moved and people had to mind their own business.

There has been a lot of misinformation incidents in Turkey, through government's hand, and a lot of inhuman incidents by those criminal-rebel looters that we witness. Then I still sometimes get surprised when people tell about the Free Syrian Army is defending Syria against an anti-democratic regime. I don't believe that those are for democracy, and everyone knows that those lies will be revealed one day.

Interesting. How do you feel about the US and UK drone strikes in residential areas?

Pretty shitty. Can't think of a theater of operation where the consensus for deployment is done with the support of the host nation's public. That is excluding the secret laws often shrouding the justification for the programs themselves.

All places where the US deploys drones has the support of the host nation's gov't at least. Drones are extremely easy to shoot down currently, and would not be effective in any hostile environment.

Not sure if that's what you meant, but it's an interesting point to consider.

So the governments of Somalia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Yemen and Libya all support US drones being deployed. Where would I go to verify this? Seems a reconnaissance drone was downed over Iran, who have demanded an apology[0]. Perhaps you only mean drones capable of attack.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93U.S._RQ-170_incid...

I know Yemen does (or did) support the US drones being deployed.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/when-us-dron...

Here's one place to start for Pakistan: http://tribune.com.pk/story/84402/wikileaks-gilani-open-to-d...

As you point out, this is for drones capable of attack, not reconnaissance drones.

"Acquiescence" or "compliance" may be more appropriate terms than "support" given the power imbalance in the relationships.

"Living next to [the USA] is in some ways like sleeping with an elephant. No matter how friendly and even-tempered the beast, if I can call it that, one is affected by every twitch and grunt." -- Pierre Elliot Trudeau in 1969

I think 'relatively' easier would be more precise than 'extremely' extremely.

> All places where the US deploys drones has the support of the host nation's gov't at least.

The GP specifically said "host nation's public".

It's almost as if I meant something making that distinction, thanks for noticing. :)

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