Loss leaders are sources of revenue, but not sources of profit.

I think the problem is that you seem to assume that HN has one mind.

Azure is pretty good VPS, Skydrive is usable for anyone deep in the MS ecosystem, they still sell their VS, Office, and Outlook pretty much at market saturation.

And they make more money per Android phone than Google. And more money per Android phone than per Windows phone.

People should focus on profits, not revenue.